King's College London Reputation

They seem to have a better reputation overall than on TSR.

If you ask me, I'd say, in the UK:

Oxbridge
UCL Imperial LSE
King's Edinburgh Durham

I'd say it's like Berkeley in the States.

Thanks for replying.

I feel like much of TSR overemphasizes the League Tables as they have not yet been to uni, though I'm one to talk.

It's funny, most people in Canada will have heard of the U of London's and Oxbridge, but not other great schools like Warwick and Durham. I happen to have heard of Durham, and applied there as my fifth choice, though for my own part, if I was paying full international tuition it was Oxbridge or bust.

Anyway, would you say that's a comparison for law or in general?

General. I don't know about law.

'University of London' is a bunch of colleges though. If they haven't heard of any of them then I don't think they really have 'heard' of it. I'd say UCL/Imperial > LSE/IoE > KCL > SOAS > Queen Mary > Royal Holloway.

TSR tend to downplay KCL for some reason. Some said it's the same level as Nottingham and below Warwick.

Yeah, by "U of London's" I mean to upper University of London schools, IE LSE, UCL, KCL, and sometimes Imperial, though they are no longer affiliated.

I think that has more to do with the League tables than anything else. Do you have any idea why the discrepancy between the UK and World tables for KCL?

Yeah, Imperial is no longer a part of it. And IoE (No 1 in education globally) will merge with UCL so UCL will probably go up further.

There is a discrepancy between the UK and global tables for KCL?

It's not just about the league tables, it's also about it being in London, being a part of University of London, being very old, and being famous.

Yeah, league tables put KCL at 20+ always, whereas QS has it at 19th, and THE at 39th, those being in the world as opposed to just the UK.

I understand now why KCL is so downgraded at TSR and at the League Tables. There's really a hatred coming from most the UK students about the KCL reputation and its profile (expensive central London Uni filled with posh kids and conservative tradition)

'University of London' is a bunch of colleges though. If they haven't heard of any of them then I don't think they really have 'heard' of it. I'd say UCL/Imperial > LSE/IoE > KCL > SOAS > Queen Mary > Royal Holloway.

There's really a hatred coming from most the UK students about the KCL reputation and its profile (expensive central London Uni filled with posh kids and conservative tradition), so don't mind those rankings. It's true that it has a considerable amount of posh kids, but it compensates with a great
student community; in fact, one of the best in the country.

Also, the recent superior education policy for the UK is based on the decentralization of university education, in an attempt to spread high quality teaching for all the territory, so there's a strong campaign to value good interior unis like Warwick, Manchester, Bath, Nottingham, etc...

In the UK, like someone said above, it is ranked like this:

Oxbridge
UCL - LSE - Imperial
KCL - Edinburgh - Durham (Warwick and Manchester in some subjects).

KCL is one of the most traditional unis in the world, with high entry standards (Congrats!), one of the highest job prospects in Europe and with, in the last few years, an innovative insight in education.

Almost every top ten university in the UK is filled with posh kids and has a 'conservative tradition'. Durham, St Andrews, Oxbridge, Bristol are all as posh as KCL if not posher!

How are you validating your statements? your way of writing leads me to believe that you're an intentional pre-uni. I study in London, and 'student community is not something I've often heard attributed to KCL. Many feel the student body is fractured, and due to the nature of London, there is no close knit campus environment.




Lol this is just ridiculous.



For Law, considering that's what the thread is about.
It's more like this :
Oxbridge
LSE, UCL (possibly KCL)
Durham, Bristol, Warwick, Nottingham

It's in a specific order.

For general rankings/prospects

Oxbridge
LSE, ICL, UCL
Warwick, Durham, Bristol,



Entry standards at Kings really are not that high.. You could count the amount of courses with require A*AA+ on one hand.

See, this is kinda of what I was talking about, people are too focused on "ranking." We all know what the ranking's say, but I take them with a grain of salt. What I'm trying to figure out is what KCL is actually considered prestige wise. As in, is it on the same level as UC Berkeley, as some on this thread suggested? NYU? Brown? To use universities from my home and native land, University of Toronto or McGill or UBC?

I use North American schools because they are the ones I am most familiar with.

I don't know if rankings mean less in North America, but here they take into account job prospects and entry requirements, so it's only natural to consider them. They also often generally correlate with people's perceptions of universities.

KCL does not open any doors which aren't open to Warwick/Bristol/Durham kids, however, the same can't be confidently said about Oxbridge/LSE/UCL.

It's hard to say, I'd probably say close to NYC since there are similarities between the fact that Columbia > NYC and LSE/UCL/Imperial > KCL. I'm assuming that NYC's reputation may slightly deflate if it were not to be in New York and I reckon it's the same with KCL. I'd say UC Berkeley is better than KCL, but I don't pretend to know all that much about US education.

I'd have thought Berkeley was on the same level as LSE/UCL.

I don't know if rankings mean less in North America, but here they take into account job prospects and entry requirements, so it's only natural to consider them.

By they way, while I'm sure they are great schools, Durham, Bristol, Warwick, and Nottingham are all virtually unheard of in Canada. I suppose it might be a mix of age (though Durham's quite old) and the program specific nature of some of these schools IE Notts for law. Similarly, you may have heard of UofT or McGill, though you probably haven't heard of Queen's or Western, and those two have the two best business programs in Canada

Going to call bull**** on this. In fact, if one goals to the league tables and clicks on the "Graduate Prospects" tab, you will find that the order is completely changed, with KCL outranking Oxbridge, ICL, UCL, and in fact coming second, though they come 30th on the tables. Oxbridge outranks KCL on the same tables, and they are certainly better schools, however what is quite clear is that employers don't care about league tables. Why should they? Do you really believe that employers actually base their selection of candidates on a series of criterium which include a student survey (this is just silly), and a research assesment(why should they care)?

Almost every top ten university in the UK is filled with posh kids and has a 'conservative tradition'. Durham, St Andrews, Oxbridge, Bristol are all as posh as KCL if not posher!

How are you validating your statements? your way of writing leads me to believe that you're an intentional pre-uni. I study in London, and 'student community is not something I've often heard attributed to KCL. Many feel the student body is fractured, and due to the nature of London, there is no close knit campus environment.

Lol this is just ridiculous.

For Law, considering that's what the thread is about.
It's more like this :
Oxbridge
LSE, UCL (possibly KCL)
Durham, Bristol, Warwick, Nottingham

It's in a specific order.

For general rankings/prospects

Oxbridge
LSE, ICL, UCL
Warwick, Durham, Bristol,



Entry standards at Kings really are not that high.. You could count the amount of courses which require A*AA+ on one hand.

...wasted enough time here, going back to revision now.

The people who do the initial 'sifting' of applications usually work in HR, so yes they do often resort to league tables. The attention that we get here at LSE and from what I hear at UCL at career fairs is considerably more than at KCL which is probably closer to QMUL than LSE in that regard.
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