Do you consider UKIP good or bad?

No, I was 6 when it was introduced, but you completely ignore the actual point - that is that the minimum wage is an important thing since it guarantees those in employment a living wage: you take that away and allow companies to pay as little as they like, and wages, particularly for the younger members of the workforce, will fall. Having high employment means nothing if wages are low, that much is obvious.

how is that their new logo? where did you even find that?

It is alright for large established companies that can pay far above the minimum wage, but for small-scale and medium-sized companies that cannot afford it is a problem which is preventing employment and economic growth. Now, it is true that some unscrupulous businesses may take advantage of this and pay as little as they want, but the wonderful thing about Capitalism is that if you feel your skills are under-valued, another company can simply make you a better deal with a more favourable contract and higher wages, and there is nothing stopping you from toddling off to join them.

It's the hydra logo (the baddies in Captain America) recoloured to the UKIP colours. Essentially just saying they're nazis.



You keep talking of raising employment, but you completely miss the issue. If we raise employment by dropping the minimum wage (from what you're saying, it's quite clear you think that the wages need reducing in order to increase employment) then we have the same basic issue we had before. While the number of people unemployed is down, the welfare bill is up to compensate for the amount of people then earning less than a basic living wage.

Maybe, but understanding what you mean from a sentence that makes no sense is.

the thing with UKIP is that they claim they are not racist or homophobic but the members actions do not support this for example Godfrey Bloom.

So Lord Rennard must tar all Liberal Democrats with the same brush in your eyes then. There's a long list of Labour party members resigned after allegations of Racism

To be honest, if you want a sterile party devoid of any thoughts outside the party line then the main parties clearly strive for that, but they ultimately fail. I kind of like the idea of a party that attracts alternative points of view. The Lib Dems used to be great for that.

okk....whatever floats your boat

everyone is entitled to their opinions

Simple question, do you vote for a party that doesn't have racist or homophobic members?

If so can you tell me who?

...apart from members of political parties eh?

Which is better, people employed on low wages or some people employed with really good wages and some with no jobs at all and living off benefits?

Yes but on a scale UKIP members seem to have many more racist/homophobic members than any other party..

There's only so much dumbing down one can subject oneself to dear boy.

UKIP are bad because:

1) They wish to remove the UK from the jurisdiction of the EU court of human rights. You heard me, UKIP wants the UK not to have to abide by laws that protect fundamental human rights and freedoms.

2) 'No to political correctness'- basically they'd like to create a platform where racist/homophobic/islamaphobic statements are no longer frowned upon. They say PC stifles free speech, I say not having it segregates society.

3) Their entire immigration policy is based on fear and intolerance. 'Immigrants put pressure on the healthcare system'- Nope, the elderly put pressure on the healthcare system and arguably, the NHS wouldn't function without immigrants.- this is one example, there's many more but I'm not really in the mood to list every single one.

4) Their policies are based on idealisms, not realisms. They want lower taxes but more police on the streets, improved roads. Fair enough- but where's that money going to come from?

5) Their immigration policy will see an increase in homelessness and crimes committed by immigrants. 'Immigrants must financially support themselves for 5 years before receiving state help'. Example: A migrant worker works in the UK for 2 years, brings his family here, things are looking good. Company he works for gets made redundant, can no longer afford things, is not entitled to benefits or any state help. Begins stealing to provide for his family.


Just a few I can think of off the top of my head

It must feel good to be right about everything and to have a superior knowledge about everything than anyone else.

I suppose if Godrey Bloom is anything to go by UKIP have nothing better to do than take part in unimportant student debates while you're not pointless boycotting some trivial matter.

Which is better, people employed on low wages or some people employed with really good wages and some with no jobs at all and living off benefits?

Why are you even on a student forum?