The Somali Society Mk III

We are African
And on what basis are we black?
Any evidence? Or is it just because we are dark skin? If so then, the native aboriginals and small minorities of India are all black (by your logic).

Don't tell other people to educate themselves...
Race is not based on "colour of skin".
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Who said anything about the colour of skin? It seems like you equate race with skin colour.

Somalis are mixed if you look back but essentially we are black and not "other/anomaly" like you said in the other post. It seems like people have the perception that West African features are the poster child for how all black people should look like when that's not the case. Are you one of those Somalis that use features and hair as an argument of how you're not black?

Who said anything about the colour of skin? It seems like you equate race with skin colour.

Some Somalis are mixed if you look back but essentially we are black and not "other/anomaly" like you said in the other post. It seems like people have the perception that West African features are the poster child for how all black people should look like when that's not the case. Are you one of those Somalis that use features and hair as an argument of how you're not black?

Could not have said it better.

They think Bantu=Black but other black groups such as west African fula people who look similar to somali's.

The black race is diverse.

fulani people are not ethically sub saharan (west African), they migrated from N-EA.



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Who said anything about the colour of skin? It seems like you equate race with skin colour.

Some Somalis are mixed if you look back but essentially we are black and not "other/anomaly" like you said in the other post. It seems like people have the perception that West African features are the poster child for how all black people should look like when that's not the case. Are you one of those Somalis that use features and hair as an argument of how you're not black?

My point is still valid though.

THANK YOU. This is one of my pet hates, when people assume that all black people must look the same, and therefore insist that Somalis aren't black because we don't look like the typical "black" person. Do all white people look the same? No. They have a variety of different features. Black people are no different.

the fact you are trying to argue DNA is hilarious...
yet you haven't debunked my point? just

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you said "black= doesn't equal bantu"

that's why you see "west African fulani" looking like somali... I debunked your point because they are NEA, so it doesn't matter, they are not bantu.

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Proof

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What are you talking about?

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race is based on your genetics.
When referring to "Blacks", biologically we are talking about those of sub-saharan backgrounds. (check wiki).


Somalis only have 5% of sub saharan blood (e1b1b1'a')= not black. we have 77% of our own indigenous blood (e3b/e1b1b1'b') thus we are somali.

in terms of features, we are Caucasian because IT doesn't mean 'white' (before you tell me we are not white) but it means features such as slim nose, soft hair... scientists class as "Caucasian" for features but we are our own biological group.

"Genetic studies conclude that Somalis and their fellow Ethiopian and Eritrean Northeast African populations represent a UNIQUE and DISTINCT biological group on the continent"
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Somalis, Ethiopians & Eritreans are of the same people mixed with Egyptian and what have you. If we have 77% of our own indigenous blood and are from the East of Africa, our land, you still don't consider yourself black? I'm curious, what do you fill out in forms? Do you actually tell people you are "other"? Nobody is 100% "pure".

Ok Caucasian doesn't mean white but you can't tell me we have Caucasian features, come on. If we are our own biological group then those features aren't exclusive to Caucasians only. (I think we agree on this point anyway) There are also Somali people who don't have "soft" hair and are not another affiliate but ARE somali.

In this day & age, we are black & Somali. We can't go back to how much percent we have of this and that. If everyone did that, they would be mixed race.

Somalis, Ethiopians & Eritreans are of the same people mixed with Egyptian and what have you. If we have 77% of our own indigenous blood and are from the East of Africa, our land, you still don't consider yourself black? I'm curious, what do you fill out in forms? Do you actually tell people you are "other"? Nobody is 100% "pure".

Ok Caucasian doesn't mean white but you can't tell me we have Caucasian features, come on. If we are our own biological group then those features aren't exclusive to Caucasians only. (I think we agree on this point anyway) There are also Somali people who don't have "soft" hair and are not another affiliate but ARE somali.

In this day & age, we are black & Somali. We can't go back to how much percent we have of this and that. If everyone did that, they would be mixed race.

Who did we mix with? arabs doubt it as only a handful came to seek refuge at the time of the prophet. Clear distinctions seen between groups like reer hamar who are known to be mixed and look different.

No somali has soft hair they dench it with oil, and brush it all day :L

Why exclude ourselves from other black populations, when we have arabs looking down at us.

Also we don't have a Caucasian nose, and have big lips a Negroid feature.

Who did we mix with? arabs doubt it as only a handful came to seek refuge at the time of the prophet. Clear distinctions seen between groups like reer hamar who are known to be mixed and look different.

No somali has soft hair they dench it with oil, and brush it all day :L

Why exclude ourselves from other black populations, when we have arabs looking down at us.

Also we don't have a Caucasian nose, and have big lips a Negroid feature.

Some people are mixed with other but im not talking about the entire Somali people. To my knowledge I read some where during trading and such. Regardless, we are Somali and not a result of mixing.

We are not arab. Ive said this in my other posts. My argument is that we are black.

Most Somalis do have soft hair naturally without having to dagaal with oil all day , I dont know about you though.

Our body shape is also of the negroid feature too.

Firstly, we are not "mixed" with Egyptian but our dna resembled the ancient Egyptians. This is why there is difference amongst people as to where the "land of punt" was (ancient Egyptian land) and if we are actually those people.

I think "indigenous" was the incorrect term because our DNA e1b1b is found in only Moroccans (60-80%), Ethiopian (50-80%) , Tunisian (60%), Balkans including greeks (35%) and azeki jews (25%).

Just because we are African doesn't mean we are black. Somalis live in East Africa but that doesn't we are black.
by your logic, Moroccans and algerians are black because they are in africa
Yet no-one said we are pure

No we do not agree on this point, I think you don't understand what "race is". Race is determined by DNA aswell as features. We have Caucasian features thus we are classed.
e1b1b was the last migration of genes from Europe to Africa, thus we are Caucasian by scientific terms but geneticists have said "WE ARE A UNIQUE BIOLOGICAL GROUP". Thus we can only call ourselves somali or African not WHITE/BLACK.

gosh. Scientists do not classify us as of the negroid race because we don't have their features nor do we have any significant blood with them.
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