Religious people are so boring!

Ok apologies, I may of misinterpreted what you said originally.


I agree they wouldn't allow a person to preach atheism/distribute blasphemous books openly in public. But there are literally loads of atheists, they aren't open about it simply because it would not be wise to do so, which is a problem I agree. But hopefully things will change soon. But it's not like we can claim to be champions of freedom of speech as shown with the Snowden case. Saudi isn't as daunting as most people portray though, if I went to a mosque in Saudi and told the Imam I'm an atheist, he'd probably start giggling and say I'll make a dua (prayer) for you. There isn't an omniscient Inquisition - Pornography, Promiscuity, Drugs is rampant throughout Saudi, it's just undercover.

Well some of the phrases you used certainly seemed like Dawkins'. I agree there are abhorrent passages in the Bible and Quran. But I think it's not as simple as- God punishes people in hell forever = therefore he's a tyrannical bully. Or God asks us to worship him = therefore he's a raging ego-maniac.

Religion is far more nuanced than that, Al Ghazali (famous Islamic scholar) believed hell was seperation from God, and he uses the hadith which states (paraphrased) - 'those who have even a mustard seed of faith will enter into heaven' as proof for his argument that everyone will go to heaven eventually. The idea of a hell is a human construct, but there's a good reason for this, different people require different incentives to act morally.

For others God acts as an agent to keep their ego under control, which is a relationship I think is much needed in the society we live in. Not because constantly feeding one's ego is inherently wrong, but because it's unhealthy and isn't conducive to social cohesion, often causes family/marital problems.

I agree that religion is man-made, but I think it's idealistic to say the least to think we can somehow abandon/throw out religion (which is the solution these New Atheists propose)- it's part of who we are, and has aspects to it that are useful which we should use. It's easy for the likes of Dawkins to spend his time brooding with a cup of earl grey tea over rational sources of morality in the suburbs of Oxford. But for normal people around the world, especially in poor areas - the idea of a God provides emotional stability, brings together communities, creates a sense of obligation towards fellow human beings. So for me, the new atheists are out of touch, and are proposing a solution that's attractive to those who live lives not having to worry about basic necessities such as food, water and shelter.

Not really to do with the subject but I don't see how partying is wasting your life if that's what you want to do. Our time on earth is so short that if someone wants to party, why shouldn't they? If someone wants to do anything that doesn't hurt others, why shouldn't they? People waste so much time trying to uphold their reputation instead of just living. Well in 200 years, nobody who knew you is going to be alive so what good is your reputation going to do you then? If you want to spend your life praying, do it. If you want to spend your life partying, do it. Don't try & make others feel bad for their choice to make yourself feel better though.

au contraire, not acting on impulse is an incredibly unhealthy way to live. That's why you have impulses.

This is all horribly judgemental. One side is judging the other for following their religion, suggesting they're all fanatical prudes. The other side is judging people who like to party, drink etc and suggesting they're all promiscuous junkies. Of course there are extremes on both sides. As long as no one's harming anyone else, let people do what they want, it has nothing to do with you.

Not muslim, just FYI:

How could you eat this cute thing?!

Really your categorically stating over a billion individuals are insane because they don't agree with your perception?

The issue here is really that the OP made a gross generalisation, so the responder made a generalisation to counter-point the thinking and show the OP the logical error.

Leave it at that.

This is all horribly judgemental. One side is judging the other for following their religion, suggesting they're all fanatical prudes. The other side is judging people who like to party, drink etc and suggesting they're all promiscuous junkies. Of course there are extremes on both sides. As long as no one's harming anyone else, let people do what they want, it has nothing to do with you.

Well, doing something for temporary happiness is not, in my opinion, a healthy way to live.

Everything is a no no , by this I specifically mean Muslims, no alcohol, no pork, no music (sometimes), no sex, no fun! Life is too short. Whenever I'm out with my Muslim friends I actually feel like sorry for them since they haven't actually lived. What if there's no afterlife?!

and what if there is afterlife??

and what if there is afterlife??

So in guessing you gain no happiness from buying new clothes

Then I don't want my life to be based on fear

The problem is that the muslim afterlife is only one version. There may well be an afterlife where no one is punished for anything they did on earth. What then?

You haven't live if you haven't had that perfect piece of bacon or gotten hung over. They believe that there is an afterlife so they behave the way Allah tells them too so they can live the way they want to it is a choice of living. They live a "dull" life so they can have the best life later.


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This. Aside from religious dogma there's no objective reason why praying and worshipping God is time better spent than partying.