Do you think weed should be legalised?
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Original post by DaveSmith99
Since legalising weed in Colorado there has been a 10% drop in crime, a 5% drop in violent crime and millions of dollars of extra tax revenue that has been put into local schools. Does this sound like a bad thing to anyone?
I'm going to have to call you out on this. Colorado has officially allowed marijuana to be sold since January of this year. 6 months, in my opinion, isn't enough time to come to a solid conclusion that marijuana legalization is jolly and fine. Another thing to point out is that the federal government of the U.S. still considers marijuana illegal. All profits earned from marijuana distribution doesn't go in banks. They're left as cold, hard cash. So although there might've been a decrease in crime overall, I surmise that most of the decrease was from petty crime. I doubt violent robberies are on the decrease, because cash in the hundreds of thousands of dollars left in a store is a bulls-eye for a robber.
That being said, I'm from Washington state (the other place in America where pot is legalized), and I find myself apprehensive about the legalization of marijuana. Don't get me wrong, you guys all have valid points on the benefits of legalizing marijuana, but there are a wide variety of ways to do it. My state issues licenses for marijuana distributors and marijuana growers, which means people have to apply to be a legal grower/distributor of marijuana. However, the laws that come along with marijuana being legalized (consequences of driving while high on marijuana, where it can be smoked, non-legal distributors and growers of marijuana) are woefully unaddressed, which leads some serious red flags for me. In regards to my state, I'd like to see non-legal distributors, growers, and purchasers being legally prosecuted, much harsher than when they were illegal. If you have the law on your side, but completely disregard it, you ask for it.
Original post by kurofune
I'm going to have to call you out on this. Colorado has officially allowed marijuana to be sold since January of this year. 6 months, in my opinion, isn't enough time to come to a solid conclusion that marijuana legalization is jolly and fine. Another thing to point out is that the federal government of the U.S. still considers marijuana illegal. All profits earned from marijuana distribution doesn't go in banks. They're left as cold, hard cash. So although there might've been a decrease in crime overall, I surmise that most of the decrease was from petty crime. I doubt violent robberies are on the decrease, because cash in the hundreds of thousands of dollars left in a store is a bulls-eye for a robber.
That being said, I'm from Washington state (the other place in America where pot is legalized), and I find myself apprehensive about the legalization of marijuana. Don't get me wrong, you guys all have valid points on the benefits of legalizing marijuana, but there are a wide variety of ways to do it. My state issues licenses for marijuana distributors and marijuana growers, which means people have to apply to be a legal grower/distributor of marijuana. However, the laws that come along with marijuana being legalized (consequences of driving while high on marijuana, where it can be smoked, non-legal distributors and growers of marijuana) are woefully unaddressed, which leads some serious red flags for me. In regards to my state, I'd like to see non-legal distributors, growers, and purchasers being legally prosecuted, much harsher than when they were illegal. If you have the law on your side, but completely disregard it, you ask for it.
That being said, I'm from Washington state (the other place in America where pot is legalized), and I find myself apprehensive about the legalization of marijuana. Don't get me wrong, you guys all have valid points on the benefits of legalizing marijuana, but there are a wide variety of ways to do it. My state issues licenses for marijuana distributors and marijuana growers, which means people have to apply to be a legal grower/distributor of marijuana. However, the laws that come along with marijuana being legalized (consequences of driving while high on marijuana, where it can be smoked, non-legal distributors and growers of marijuana) are woefully unaddressed, which leads some serious red flags for me. In regards to my state, I'd like to see non-legal distributors, growers, and purchasers being legally prosecuted, much harsher than when they were illegal. If you have the law on your side, but completely disregard it, you ask for it.
It's not enough time to make a solid conclusion, but all the signals are that so far legalisation has been a resounding success and the state hasn't fallen to pieces as many would have had you believe before hand.
The cash thing is an issue, but it shouldn't be as the solution is mind-numbingly simple and it wouldn't be an issue in this country as we don't have federalism and we don't have a separate executive and legislature. This is also a problem that exists when you have a black market for cannabis, over here we have gangs who make a living from raiding grow-houses and drug dealers houses as they know they will be full of cash and drugs.
Original post by ElChapo
The only way it being illegal makes sense is if alcohol is also made illegal, so yes it should be legalised
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Utter crap.
Alcohol in moderate amounts is just drinking a nice tasting liquid. Even the least effective of drugs have negative effects on social events.
If it was legalised we could use it as paper and stuff like that, but the 2nd hand smoke in public would not be a good thing, thats for certain. It slows reaction timing so there would be more car accidents with people wandering into the road, etc.
Plus, all the poor people that earn a living in 3rd world countries would be put out of a job if it were legalised.
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Plus, all the poor people that earn a living in 3rd world countries would be put out of a job if it were legalised.
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Original post by DErasmus
Drugs would be yet another policy of individualism that would destroy the collective.
Have fun making yourself miserable liberals.
Have fun making yourself miserable liberals.
But weed doesn't make people miserable?
Original post by DaveSmith99
But weed doesn't make people miserable?
Point me to a respectable looking gentleman who uses weed. Notice how its always miserable lowly gits.
Original post by DErasmus
Point me to a respectable looking gentleman who uses weed. Notice how its always miserable lowly gits.
Well for a start we had Barack Obama?
Fairly sure your just a troll though, i mean your alcohol point was laughable, cannabis in a couple of joints is just a nice tasting smoke to plenty of people, whats your point? Other than of course a couple to many beers will be far more detrimental to someone than a bit to much cannabis.
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Original post by JG1233
Barack Obama?
Ha. There's a difference between a regular user and someone like Obama who has 'experimented' with it. Obama would not benefit from legalisation. Besides these are only anecdotes...
In fact take a look:
http://rt.com/usa/171608-obama-denver-pot-horse/
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Yes I believe it should be legalised.
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Original post by DErasmus
Point me to a respectable looking gentleman who uses weed. Notice how its always miserable lowly gits.
Original post by DaveSmith99
Lol point proven.
Original post by DErasmus
Ha. There's a difference between a regular user and someone like Obama who has 'experimented' with it. Obama would not benefit from legalisation. Besides these are only anecdotes...
In fact take a look:
http://rt.com/usa/171608-obama-denver-pot-horse/
In fact take a look:
http://rt.com/usa/171608-obama-denver-pot-horse/
George Clooney is a regular user
Original post by DErasmus
Lol point proven.
Okay, if you want a serious answer
Original post by DErasmus
Ha. There's a difference between a regular user and someone like Obama who has 'experimented' with it. Obama would not benefit from legalisation. Besides these are only anecdotes...
In fact take a look:
http://rt.com/usa/171608-obama-denver-pot-horse/
In fact take a look:
http://rt.com/usa/171608-obama-denver-pot-horse/
Obama was a member of a cannabis smoking group at school, i think he went past experimentation. But unlike anti-cannabis campaigners would have you believe, his life didn't some how fall apart, he went on to become the US's first black president. I'm at university and know multiple regular users who are perfectly respectable, many of which expected to leave with 1st's or 2:1's.
Saying all cannabis smokers are lazy and un-respectable is just a silly ignorant statement.
Yes I think it should, for a number of reasons. I'd have all amounts of all drugs legal.
Morally, the government has no right to tell citizens what they can and can't have. Why is drugs any different from alcohol, from nicotine, from fast foods, from online pornography. All those things can scientifically be argued to be bad for us, but they are all legal. Yet drugs are not, simply because of tradition and how things have evolved. It's a nonsense. We need a coherent moral framework. It all should be legal, let people do what they want, the idea of an individual being prosecuted because they are taking drugs in their own home is outrageous, a violation of individual freedoms.
But to be honest, I'd have even dealers legal, because I'd have drugs available on the health service at a low charge, and people would have no reason to go to dealers. Remember, most deaths in the war on drugs abroad are not down to the drugs, they are down to the gangs. You'd eliminate 50% of crime overnight. There is a ridiculous amount of people in jail in the USA due to drugs.
The reality is the war on drugs has been a categorical failure, 3 billion spent annually by the UK, over a trillion worldwide. Think what that, plus the money from tax could be spent on. The reality is, human beings are too intelligent, they can always get what they want. See Prohibition and the current war on drugs as examples.
And, how many people here would start taking drugs if they came legal? I certainly wouldn't. I'd never go near the stuff. Most wouldn't.
For me, absolute no brainer. In year one of an Eboracum Government, all drugs would be fully legalised.
Morally, the government has no right to tell citizens what they can and can't have. Why is drugs any different from alcohol, from nicotine, from fast foods, from online pornography. All those things can scientifically be argued to be bad for us, but they are all legal. Yet drugs are not, simply because of tradition and how things have evolved. It's a nonsense. We need a coherent moral framework. It all should be legal, let people do what they want, the idea of an individual being prosecuted because they are taking drugs in their own home is outrageous, a violation of individual freedoms.
But to be honest, I'd have even dealers legal, because I'd have drugs available on the health service at a low charge, and people would have no reason to go to dealers. Remember, most deaths in the war on drugs abroad are not down to the drugs, they are down to the gangs. You'd eliminate 50% of crime overnight. There is a ridiculous amount of people in jail in the USA due to drugs.
The reality is the war on drugs has been a categorical failure, 3 billion spent annually by the UK, over a trillion worldwide. Think what that, plus the money from tax could be spent on. The reality is, human beings are too intelligent, they can always get what they want. See Prohibition and the current war on drugs as examples.
And, how many people here would start taking drugs if they came legal? I certainly wouldn't. I'd never go near the stuff. Most wouldn't.
For me, absolute no brainer. In year one of an Eboracum Government, all drugs would be fully legalised.
Original post by DErasmus
Ha. There's a difference between a regular user and someone like Obama who has 'experimented' with it. Obama would not benefit from legalisation. Besides these are only anecdotes...
In fact take a look:
http://rt.com/usa/171608-obama-denver-pot-horse/
In fact take a look:
http://rt.com/usa/171608-obama-denver-pot-horse/
-dismisses replies as "only anecdotes"
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Original post by manchesterunited15
-dismisses replies as "only anecdotes"
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-posts anecdote
? One was documented the other could have been fiction for political purposes (oddly supported by the first).
Original post by Eboracum
For me, absolute no brainer. In year one of an Eboracum Government, all drugs would be fully legalised.
For me, absolute no brainer. In year one of an Eboracum Government, all drugs would be fully legalised.
Ebo you can't run the government and United
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