bath university russel grouo?

otrivine

hi everyone i know that bath uni is top 10 but how come they are not russel group?

Because they're not dependent on each other?

Being top 10 =/= automatic russell group.

and vice versa.

Reply 3

username829752

Just because it's in the top 10 doesn't mean it has to be in the Russell Group... Look at Durham, another top 10, that isn't in the Russell Group either. RG are just research intensive universities. Some of them aren't even top 20 let alone top 10.

Reply 4

nulli tertius

Original post by otrivine

hi everyone i know that bath uni is top 10 but how come they are not russel group?

Because they are not big enough.

The Russell Group is a group of large research universities.

With the exception of LSE which is a specialised institution in fields with low research costs, all of the others have more than £65M of research income. Bath has a little over £30M.

Reply 5

otrivine

Original post by nulli tertius

so are they not a top uni cause its shows in the league as top 10 ?

Reply 6

nulli tertius

Original post by otrivine

so are they not a top uni cause its shows in the league as top 10 ?

No, I did not say that.

I said that they were not a large enough research university to join an organisation of large research universities.

Reply 7

limetang

You don't have to be in the Russel Group to be a good university. It's a group of the largest research universities that joined together to protect their intrests. It is not a definitive indicator of how good a university is. Just like the Ivy league in the US is not a distinct group of all the best universities in America (although the ones in the league are among (if not) the best) it is an athletic conference.

I mean Durham and St andrews are both good universities, but they're not in the Russell group mostly because they're so small. They aren't big enough places and as such not big enough universities to have a huge research budget.

(edited 12 years ago)

Reply 8

dom bradbury

Also, the Russell Group was formed back in 1994, and Bath has grown quite a lot since then and improved in rankings etc.

Reply 9

welshyelmo

Original post by otrivine

so are they not a top uni cause its shows in the league as top 10 ?

Original post by darkfang77

Being top 10 =/= automatic russell group.

Reply 10

darkfang77

Original post by welshyelmo

Lazy much?
I think the points have been proven, to the original asker: if you like Bath so much, then go there.

Reply 11

welshyelmo

Original post by darkfang77

Lazy much?

Or maybe I just don't see the point in typing out what you've already posted, and I was simply directing the poster to your very helpful post.

Sensitive much?

Reply 12

darkfang77

Original post by welshyelmo

Or maybe I just don't see the point in typing out what you've already posted, and I was simply directing the poster to your very helpful post.

Sensitive much?

Paranoid much?

I was joking in the first place.
PS: If it was helpful, why don't I get the +1? :smile:

Reply 13

HereBeDragons

Also, league tables aren't everything, and a lot of the criteria they use to form them are very subjective.

Original post by darkfang77

Paranoid much?

I was joking in the first place.
PS: If it was helpful, why don't I get the +1? :smile:

Stop being a rep whore.

Reply 14

Jemeter

Bath, Durham, St. Andrews etc. are all in the 1994 Group instead - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_Group, similar principle to the Russell Group except for smaller institutions.

Reply 15

Mansun

How have you come to the conclusion that Bath is a top 10 university? Through media league tables that are flawed with bias from student satisfaction surveys and contradicting criteria amongst various newspapers? That is a naive narrow-minded view you will overcome in a few years when you have more life experience and know how it all works.

In my opinion, having graduated from Nottingham 10 years ago, and having worked for 4 blue chip firms, I can tell you that Bath is regarded as highly as any university outside of the super elite G5 (Oxbridge, LSE, Imperial, UCL). To get invited into the Russell Group, a university must demonstrate research excellence across a broad range of subjects, ideally including Medicine and/or Dentistry (almost all RG unis have a medical school).