Is anyone going to protest for Palestine?! (In London or Birmingham)

ok so you might aswell support the oppressor considering you're neutral. "Both sides are as bad as each other"

Remind me when did palestinians occupy israelis
When did we impose curfews as collective punishment
When di we conduct night raids and terrorise childrne once they wake up
When did we impose a siege as collective punishment
When did we wipe out entire extended families
When did we steal land by claiming it's going to be confiscated
When did we build illegal settlements
When did we put kids under administrative detentions illegally, children as young as 3
When did we plant checkpoints through every israeli city even in the centre
When did we have settlers in Israel to burn olives trees and terrorise farmers and children walking by
When did we build seperation roads

You're irrelevant if you're going to sit by and ignore these things.

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and killing innocent children as young as 5 months! The Scumbags.
http://www.citizennews.co.ke/news/2012/international/item/20882-israel-tells-families-to-leave-gaza

Gaza is under siege which is worse than occupation. The west bank is under occupation. But good job ignoring that.

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The British

this was then voted for just like the UN today

You should also bear in mind that it gave the whole of Transjordan to the Arabs, before you start complaining that the British were somehow acting in Jewish interests.

Voted for by who? The people of Palestine? The Arabs?



Please don't try and preempt or engage in whataboutery in order to detract from the issue at hand.

The UN members voted on the British proposed resolution

Some said no

Some said yes

Some abstained

*Waits for, "The Palestinians should not have to have accepted the outcome, since the UN had no business there"*

I'm curious: Do we invite people from other countries to vote in our national elections?

What a moronic argument,.

Looks like you'll be waiting a very long time...

It wasn't a national election, it was a UN resolution.

Do we let members states of the UN vote on UN resolutions?

Answer = yes



Lol

that is basically what you said

You killed a 4 day old baby just yesterday...

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From reading the Hamas charter, I believe the reason for this is that the government of Gaza will not abandon its irredentist claims to territory that Israel will not surrender. Since it seems that the majority of Gazans elected this government, Gaza has no strong grounds to complain about a state they are waging war against attacking them.

Looking to see at which point his verbal gymnastics send you in o meltdown.

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It wasn't a national election, it was a UN resolution.

Do we let members states of the UN vote on UN resolutions?

Answer = yes

Lol

that is basically what you said

Could you answer the question that was posed to you:

"Do we invite people from other countries to vote in our national elections?"

It's an easy question and I don't foresee any problems given the forthright assertions made by you in this thread..

I believe you have comprehension problems...

I am no longer a Muslim.

I went to a few protests about Palestine. Nothing particulary eventful happened and the protest fell entirely on deaf ears.

I'm pretty pessimistic about these protests, given my past experiences. Nothing seems to change.

No we do not, but since it was not a national election, this has absolutely no relevance to the debate any more than the question, "should Ashley Cole have been in the England world cup squad?"

Doubtful

If you want to play the Charter card, then let's play the "Israel doesn't give a crap about peace" because the governing party's charter says so:

"The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. "

"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."

"Jerusalem is the eternal, united capital of the State of Israel and only of Israel. The government will flatly reject Palestinian proposals to divide Jerusalem."

How can you deny others the opportunity that was granted to you?

So why did the British invite the UN (made up of MS) to determine what happens to a group of people which these far flung countries had no interest in?



We need to add logical processing problems to that list.

Racking up quite a list, eh?

Because it wasn't a national election (as I previously told you...) it was a question of nationhood and The United Nations, ​deals with matters of nationhood...

I'm not arguing that one or other's claim to the land is more just. That is largely a matter of opinion and I, as an atheist Englishman, have no emotional involvement in the irredentism of either Jews or Muslim Arabs.

The reality is that Israel is the stronger party. If there is an unrestrained conflict between the two on any point, Israel prevails, not the Gaza Strip or West Bank. So the Gaza Strip and West Bank have to decide whether they want to continue their irredentist war, or accept peace on terms that would allow them to live quite, safe, and productive lives, but give up the land.

As best I can tell they consistently, deliberately choose the former, so they must accept the consequences.