Is anyone going to protest for Palestine?! (In London or Birmingham)

As I indicated before, this is just an emotional attachment to their irredentist nationalism. Personally I think it is bizarre, almost depraved, to be a nationalist for someone else's country. Nationalism is a mental disease, and while it can be excused in those who were infected in the womb, it's less excusable to deliberately infect oneself.

The question, to my mind, is would the lives of Palestinians be worse if they became citizens of Israel, or if they became citizens of Egypt or Jordan, or if they accepted coexistence with Israel within their current borders? And I see no possible answer to that other than no. Alternatively, can they actually defeat Israel and impose their own settlement? Again, no. So their current policy is irrationally self-destructive.

You're a total liar

1947 the UN offers both sides a two state solution with Jerusalem administrated by the UN for Christians, Jews and Muslims

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine

The Israeli side accepts this offer

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine#Jews

The Arab side rejects it and declares war on the pro-Israel camp

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine#Arabs


This war happens

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1947%E2%80%9348_Civil_War_in_Mandatory_Palestine

Israel manages to win and secures its borders, yet somehow the historically ignorant think Israel is the oppressor and Arabs are the victims

The British government has the power to seize my home and if it chose to do so I would be forced to comply. It's very unlikely I would retaliate by planting a bomb on a school bus or by firing a rocket in the vague direction of Whitehall. The reason is that the British government could do me much more damage if it chose, and I have no actual ability to defeat it.

Now it seems to me that Palestinians have three reasonable options that would allow them to live in peace: first, accept their territories becoming part of Israel in exchange for citizenship of Israel; second, accept their territories becoming part of Israel in exchange for organised resettlement in Egypt and Jordan; third, becoming two independent states with their current de-facto controlled territory as their accepted permanent borders.

None of these happen, ultimately, because Palestinians prefer to maintain their irredentism claims than to live quite, safe, and productive lives in peace. And the root cause of this is ethno-religious fanaticism.

ok so you might aswell support the oppressor considering you're neutral. "Both sides are as bad as each other"

Remind me when did palestinians occupy israelis
When did we impose curfews as collective punishment
When di we conduct night raids and terrorise childrne once they wake up
When did we impose a siege as collective punishment
When did we wipe out entire extended families
When did we steal land by claiming it's going to be confiscated
When did we build illegal settlements
When did we put kids under administrative detentions illegally, children as young as 3
When did we plant checkpoints through every israeli city even in the centre
When did we have settlers in Israel to burn olives trees and terrorise farmers and children walking by
When did we build seperation roads

You're irrelevant if you're going to sit by and ignore these things.

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So you are in support of settlement buildings in the WB?

I don't understand with what's wrong with Palestinians having an attachment to their national patriotism. They were once happy and now made refugees, I think it's understandable for them to want there land, and more importantly their human rights, back.

Palestine isn't really valued by other major superpowers who could support them, and humanitarian concerns are crushed by Israel who controls America's financial leash. Maybe the only way for peace is for Palestine to give in, which would be an oblivious injustice. It's just upsetting that people are continuing to die over this conflict that has gone on for far too long.

Why has Israel accelerated the building of illegal settlements and why is it an apartheid state?

As you're so for the UN, do you reckon Israel should be sanctioned by it for breaking over 160 UN resolutions?

It is fairly obvious that none of the pro-Israelis on here have the faintest clue as to what is happening.

This whole thing began with the murder of the 3 Israeli teenagers- the Israelis immediately blamed Hamas, killed 8 Palestinians and arrested hundreds more including children. They offered no proof of Hamas's involvement.

Now that's justice

Oh no wait, it is a false flag operation just like many in the past.

To the extent I favour immigration to any country, yes. Do you think it should be illegal for non-whites or non-Christians to settle in the UK?

The thrust of my post is that it is weird for you, a presumably non-Palestinian, to strongly take their side. The Israelis also believe they are reasserting their ancient land claims, rights, etc. Is their claim stronger?

The thing wrong with Palestinians asserting irredentist land claims is that it makes their quality of life far worse with no prospect of actual victory. This suggests that they're more interested in ethno-religious pride than improving their quality of life.

I think you've descended into conspiracy theories with this remark, but I agree entirely with the final sentence. Why, then, do you support continued fighting over land?

no, just the muslims

no, just the muslims

But they are building on a land which they have no ownership of? How does that work?

It's like if Scotland gains independence and then a random Scotsman comes and builds his house in England, land which he has not purchased. I suppose you'll allow him and most of the Scots to do this?