The Israel/Palestine Conflict Mk. IV

They were not 'deliberately targeted'. I am going to need you to provide reliable sources stating that Israel deliberately targeted four boys on a beach.

I haven't researched it as much but if the facts are similar then yes.

However, this thread is not dedicated to Cyprus and you knew that before replying.

Which part of it is unreasonable?

This is a war. The IDF can't hire removal vans and put on a taxi service for them. If the building is used for any military activity, it's a legitimate military target under international law. That's how it works.

They already go above and beyond what they need to do to minimise casualties.

Do you think the British army texts the Taliban before hitting their bases?

Do you think NATO makes phone calls to areas where Al Qaeda are operating and notifies people of incoming strikes?

Of course not.

It's one rule for everyone and a separate one for Israel it seems.

but when the first strike proved unable to hit them a second strike was launched at them. Both pretty much implicate a deliberate targeting of these children whether or not it was recognized that they were children by the person or people launching the strikes.

All of it, to be fair.

No offence, but it reads like a very politically naive person wrote it.

How do you know they were targeted?

How do you know they were hit by Israeli fire?

Hamas controls everything that happens there. Hamas release casualty figures, Hamas control which reporters go where and see what.

This is a war and people die.


What do you think happened when British troops went to Iraq and Afghanistan? do you think they only killed baddies and never made mistakes?

What about wedding parties being bombed?

What about NATO bombing hospitals and markets in Serbia during that conflict?

How about us Brits fire-bombing whole German cities in response V2 rocket fire?


What is the fascination with Israel?

There are over 1000 dead in Ukraine. On European soil. A few hundred of those are civilians.


Hamas are masters at propaganda and use their people's blood to manipulate people like you into hating Israel. This is theatre for them.

Let's not forget that the UN had to admit in the past that their war report was undermined by Hamas lying about casualty figures.

Link or it didn't happen. Hamas source or Quran does not count BTW

yeh boohoo Israel, they are clearly the victims of this. those inconsiderate Palestinian civilians getting in the way of their defence missiles. If I warn you that I am about to throw an explosive into your house whether or not you remain in there in the next hour, that simple act of warning doesn't legitimize the crime that I go on to then commit. Neither does it become legitimized if I suddenly say "its okay Im allowed to do this, its war".

Who would be against it?

If we are to go by the witnesses - bearing in mind Hamas controls everything in Gaza where fear and intimidation are common place.

Then I would suggest rather than it proving a deliberate attack on kids, it actually indicates an accidental targeting.

If they went in for a second strike (not that this has been proved) then that to me suggests a case of mistaken identity.

We have to remember that the beach saw intense fighting just two days ago when Israeli troops made a brief incursion.

It could be that the boys stood on a mine laid out for the troops.

Additionally, 100 rockets fired from Gaza have landed within Gazan territory.

A young palestinain girl was killed just 3 weeks ago by a rocket fired from Gaza whjich failed to make it into Israel and landed in Gaza killing the girl.

It does if I was lobbing rockets at you.





It's not the most densely area on the planet. It's certainly up there as being one of them though.


There is open space in Gaza though.






Let's not lose sight of facts.

Israel declares humanitarian truce

A humanitarian truce by Israel has been declared to allow for aid/food etc.

Let's hope that Hamas stop firing rockets for that period of time.

Tempted to pull a you and say something along the lines of "im not going to accept that until you offer irrefutable proof that those pictures really were taken in Gaza." So it is one of the most densely populated spaces in the world you admit? I dont think I said that there were no open spaces at all so Im not quite sure how I am 'losing sight of facts'?

Re the rockets, a year ago the world was condemning Assad for launching missiles and bombs into densely populated areas of cities where armed opposition were considered active. This was an opposition who were a lot better equipped than Hamas and caused much more death and destruction. Obviously now however answering what are over glorified fireworks with missiles that cause much death, injury and destruction is suddenly okay I guess?

Everyone.

Except left wingers on student campuses, but they don't count.

The Egyptians had proposed a ceasefire, endorsed by both the UN and the Arab League.

Seeing as Hamas has rejected both ceasefires, while Israel accepted both of them, I think its clear who we should blame more deaths on. Its already a double war crime to shoot rockets at Israeli civilians, while hiding behind Palestinian civilians.

Israel's fundamental mission is to destroy Hamas, and it doesn't take a genius to realise that this requires much more force than Hamas themselves are using in order to provoke this response.

It also doesn't take a genius to see that if Hamas stopped spending their money on pointlessly lobbing rockets into Israel, and instead spent it on the people they purport to represent, the lives of both Palestinians and Israelis would be much improved.

screw israel and its supporters. you guys have to be in ****ing denial and inhuman to justify those war crimes by saying they are just "defending themselves" Oh also, screw the USA.disgusting piece of trash supporting israel in all its war crimes.