MH17 flight down in Ukraine

It seems unlikely that Ukraine did this. I think the finger will point irresistably at the Russians or their proxies. RT are already in full denial mode, a sure sign of guilt.

I don't see it as being particularly a negotiation tool, simply a case of "we don't deal with your side, we don't trust you, we only deal with 'our' side".

2- there is, however, a couple of (unconfirmed) reports suggesting that there were fighter aircraft around the airliner up until 3 minutes before it fell off radar.

Unlikely, there's a video (again - unconfirmed) showing the aircraft actually being hit by the missile and then beginning to dive and disintegrate.

The sick part is the cheering and woops of the people recording it.

Unlikely, there's a video (again - unconfirmed) showing the aircraft actually being hit by the missile and then beginning to dive and disintegrate.

The sick part is the cheering and woops of the people recording it.

I was more thinking along the lines of "we will hand it over if...", however that isn't going to do a great deal to aid their cause, not that those in power in the west really care. The possibility still exists in the form of the crash site itself, and I wonder how that will be handled given that, to the investigators, it's in hostile territory.

I also think this was very unlikely to have been directly authorised by Russia. The separatists have been actively shooting down planes and have no real way of distinguishing between civil and military aircraft. I guess this is just what happens when you angry, untrained, trigger happy people get their hands on guided missile systems.

I've seen it, it only shows about a minute preceeding the initial explosion, so that can't be used to confirm or deny those rumours (which come from the Ukrainian Transport Ministry and a Spanish ATC operator in Donetsk).

Unlikely, there's a video (again - unconfirmed) showing the aircraft actually being hit by the missile and then beginning to dive and disintegrate.

The sick part is the cheering and woops of the people recording it.

Pretty much the only good thing that's come of it all is that all sides are entertaining the notion of a ceasefire to conduct investigations, so that may become less of a factor.

Yes, Putin is absolutely responsible for this, given that he supplied such advanced weaponry to a bunch of gun toting thugs.

How Russia can possibly continue to be permitted to trade with us, as if nothing has happened, is bizarre. Let alone having thousands of their tax exiles living here, some of them members of Putin's circle and buying property in London.

Here is said video.
[video]http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=2fb_1405623415[/video]

Are these people pro-Europe or pro-Russia?

Are these people pro-Europe or pro-Russia?

Are these people pro-Europe or pro-Russia?

One would assume pro-Russia.

The people cheering? Pro-Russian. They think it's a Ukrainian military plane.

Judging by your earlier post I assume you've read this?


http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e8c_1405625840


This does add a little credibility to the theory.

So why is there talk the people who shot this plane down, pro-Europe or pro-Russia, mistook it for Putin's plane?