MH17 flight down in Ukraine

Generally people in Russia, Belarus and Eastern Ukraine support Russian (but not "pro-russian rebels") side. Not really because of Russian media, but because of strong relations between our nations. Here in Belarus 90% speak Russian (even most of Belarussians speak it), almost the same situation in Eastern Ukraine.

What about this tragic plane crash event, most of my friends agree that it's very likely, that the plane was shot down by rebels. By accident ofc, not on purpose or by Russian order. It seems really likely to me either.

And I want to add that I got about the same feelings reading Russian and UK media sources. Both sides shouldn't really be trusted. The truth is somewhere in the middle.

Depends if he's stapped into something heavy etc.

It actually does rely on weight, gravity and Buoyancy.

What on earth are you talking about. It doesn't depend on weight and bouyancy, only on gravity, which is pretty constant on earth. Have you ever opened a GCSE physics textbook?

Do people in your area believe the Russians are arming the rebels?

Also what do they think about Ukraine response to Pro-Russian Rebels?

Also imagine if such a thing happened in russia? Do people think russia would act in a more restrained manner or worse?

What on earth are you talking about. It doesn't depend on weight and bouyancy, only on gravity, which is pretty constant on earth. Have you ever opened a GCSE physics textbook?

Not really. I don't think so either because of some facts:
- it's well known that the rebels got control over many armories, so they might have lots of weapon, bulletproof vests and stuff;
- some military units went to the rebels side;
- rebels few times complained that Russia don't want to support them and asked for the support;
- the rebels managed to get even a countermissile system and some tanks in fights with Ukrainian army;

So they apparently have some good equipment already and there is no any proof that Russia is arming them.

People here just can't believe that this is actually happening. We all (Russians, Ukrainians, Belarussians) like brothers, so the very idea of fighting vs each other seems ludicrous, but sadly became true.

Personally I think that they got no other choice. It's their territory and Poroshenko is legitimate president (I believe), so they're trying to get control over it.

Actually it is happening in Russia. Read about Ingushetia.

Sorry for my writing speed and for the mistakes I make btw, I don't have much practice in English.

What I find weird about this is if Putin was in some way involved, why would he immediately phone Obama to talk to him about it? Why were they even talking on the phone in the first place? I thought these two men were at loggerheads.



My best guess is that pro-Russians did it, but Putin himself was not directly responsible.

I think that's the general consensus.

It's an accident in my opinion, I think the Pro-Russian separatist's thought they were shooting at a Ukrainian plane and now they and the Russian's are forced into PR damage control.

That sounds about right. I don't think they'd just shoot down a passenger liner for no reason (unless it was just some rogue looking to **** **** up)

the USA play a long game? no chance.

it's more about the former than the latter tbh, a weaker Russia gives the USA more power in the region which negates the rise of China.

I understand that her theory is quite wild, but there might actually be something to it. Note that I'm merely considering ideas here, not subscribing to anything.

Russia have recently been making moves towards a closer economic and political integration with China, and Asia in general. A new rival to the World Bank has also been established by the BRICS countries. I very much doubt that the US like this. If you take a look through actual US history, you see that they invariably despise any attempts on behalf of foreign nations to be independent. The US dollar's value is pretty much sustained by being the most traded currency for international transactions, mainly in the area of petroleum trading. If too many important countries start making moves to trade with each other economically, there is a good possibility that eventually they will wean themselves off the dollar, causing a catastrophic loss in its value and trashing the US economy. Russia have already been increasingly using the Remnimbi for international trade with China, and China's currency will probably continue to grow in popularity in the future.

The US, directly or indirectly, bringing down a plane and blaming Russian separatists will inevitably cause all fingers globally to point at Russia for such a heinous crime. We've been fed the narrative that Putin has been supplying the separatists with weaponry for months, but no one's really heard Putin out. Putin wasn't afraid of taking Crimea right under the world's nose, so why should he consistently be so reluctant to admit he was supplying weapons to Russian separatists? Is the latter so much worse than the former? There seems to be a strange kind of inconsistency here in my view, but the Western media doesn't even give us a case for the opposite side of the story. Anyway, greatly isolating Russia like this may halt trade negotiations in the East, and additional sanctions or boycotts by countries around the globe might greatly affect Russian trade. It's not a bad way of greatly delaying this shift away from the dollar.

Again, this is merely an idea I'm entertaining. I neither believe nor disbelieve it, but to me, something about this extremely tragic event smells.

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Over here the tanks they have, have been suggested to have come from russia, firstly by satellite footage and secondly from video footage of them crossing the Ukraine/Russian Border.

That's actually refreshing, most media over here suggest that the other side (or whatever) claim Poroshenko is not legitimate... that's propaganda for you :P

We honestly don't know anything about that :/ though not surprising really is it?

What do russians etc think about that particular conflict?

The terminal velocity of a falling object is the velocity of the object when the sum of the drag force (Fd) and buoyancy equals the downward force of gravity (FG) acting on the object.

Terminal velocity is pretty much the maximum speed an object has, it's why skydivers can achieve an increased speed in terminal velocity by making themselves more streamlined on decent.

Generally people in Russia, Belarus and Eastern Ukraine support Russian (but not "pro-russian rebels") side. Not really because of Russian media, but because of strong relations between our nations. Here in Belarus 90% speak Russian (even most of Belarussians speak it), almost the same situation in Eastern Ukraine.

What about this tragic plane crash event, most of my friends agree that it's very likely, that the plane was shot down by rebels. By accident ofc, not on purpose or by Russian order. It seems really likely to me either.

The terminal velocity of a falling object is the velocity of the object when the sum of the drag force (Fd) and buoyancy equals the downward force of gravity (FG) acting on the object.

Terminal velocity is pretty much the maximum speed an object has, it's why skydivers can achieve an increased speed in terminal velocity by making themselves more streamlined on decent.