The Israel/Palestine Conflict Mk. IV

i have an opinion on lots of things, but im not obsessed with palestine or israel- as you and many other muslims are. i simply asked you why you are, when there have been much more bigger conflicts or more relevant ones to you - but you had no answer. i guess its pointless asking the indoctrinated why they are indoctrinated , my bad.

As I've said, I believe to you, before the PLO are willing to negotiate, Hamas is not. Israel nicely blocks it all until the Hamas Issue is resolved.
Let's consider something a bit closer to home (for those in the Uk at least). Saying the Islamists are stopping a solution is like like saying the IRA are stopping a solution in Northern Ireland, yet progress is still being made, albeit slowly.

i dont pretend that israel would act or react in the same way uk govmnt would. however support for the ira ( in terms for militancy) has dwindled, whereas support for islamist groups has hardly dwindled, becuase many muslims are deluded enough to never accept their role in this ( or various toher) conflicts.

But as a case study it shows that it is possible to come to an agreement that is sufficient for the main parties involved. The total removal of fringe groups will likely take centuries, and in many respects if you look at the relationships between England and Ireland, and the Zionists and Palestinians they're as complex as each other.

probably more so, mainly becuase the islamists see it as a 1300 year old indignation to now be ruled by a tribe ( jewish) that mohamemd conquered long time ago and when his followers seized jerusalem for islam. essentially the europeans screwed the whole thing up by conquering jerusalem and the middle east much later.

Why would they need to "condemn the murders"? They had nothing to do with it, did they?

But you could also argue that the Ottomans (and yes, you could classify them as European, but also middle eastern. It can be argued any way you want) are to blame since it was part of their Empire. The Jews starting arriving while the area was part of an empire. But you could be petty enough to say it's the fault of the Europeans because of the Roman Empire being there, or Seleucid before them, or Macedon before them etc. It's impossible to really pin down the blame on any individual group, rather the collection of groups that is religions. This is the sort of **** you get when you get three major religions all with the same roots and thus all have the same holy places.

I agree and this is exactly why he/she ignored my post regarding the situations under Palestinians are living under. The whole world knows that innocent Palestinians are brutally getting killed and no one justifies the actions of Israel. Its actually sad to see how people can disregard the killing of such innocent and young children and still justify Israel's actions.

it was the europeans that defeated the ottomans, although they were 'muslim' they conquered the arabs and in fact controlled both mecca and jerusalem, something which the arabs could not abide either. ultimatly the whole story of the middle east is rabid tribalism, whetehr its about islam vs jew or even muslim vs muslim ( turk v arab, shiai v sunni etc) islam has not been a good influnce in that region, so therefore islamists are not a force for good in the palestinian issue either. you will not solve these age old problems, all you can do is try and introduce logic and civlisaed thought (good luck) and step away from the tribalism that islamists promote. note this is not an issue isolated to palestine ether -the same priciple festers in places like chechnya uihgugr china, nigeria, sudan kashmir etc. all islamist agendas. no more islamic empire , so this is the next best thing for them

If I called somebody a hero, and then it transpired that they did something sick and disgusting which I disagreed with, it would be necessary for me to repudiate my previous remarks. Hamas have done no such thing.

just to get things straight...im jewish and a zionist and i dont understand why you think the actions of israel are to blame- i actually agree with you when you say; "innocent Palestinians are brutally getting killed" - its not fair that innocent civillians are being killed! However putting the blame on israel is unfair. Here is why....israel warns palestinians with leaflets and door knocking before bombing an area, however more fundamentally the blame for the death of innocent palestinians is the fault of hamas as they set up their rockets in areas with hospitals and children, so of course there will be palestinian casualties! Israel actually cares more for palestinians then hamas does!- what utter irony....so dont vent your anger at israel at the deaths of palestinian civillians when it is the fault of hamas. If hamas stopped fireing rockets then there would be no retalliation from israel and thus no palestinian casualties!

it has become an issue for the entire world- my point is it should never have. europe, the us, south america, most of asia ( non muslims) would be perfectly happy if the palestinians handed over the land to the jews , or vice versa, jsut so long as jews and muslims learnt to settle down live in peace.
its only the islamic agenda that cannot allow a simple peaceful solution, (as they wont in any conflct) i fully beleive islamsits need conflcit to continue, to be able to continually spread their message. they have you under their thumb, why would they let you up? muslims in uk, asia, africa, all puppets on a string fixated on palestine

just to get things straight...im jewish and a zionist and i dont understand why you think the actions of israel are to blame- i actually agree with you when you say; "innocent Palestinians are brutally getting killed" - its not fair that innocent civillians are being killed! However putting the blame on israel is unfair. Here is why....israel warns palestinians with leaflets and door knocking before bombing an area, however more fundamentally the blame for the death of innocent palestinians is the fault of hamas as they set up their rockets in areas with hospitals and children, so of course there will be palestinian casualties! Israel actually cares more for palestinians then hamas does!- what utter irony....so dont vent your anger at israel at the deaths of palestinian civillians when it is the fault of hamas. If hamas stopped fireing rockets then there would be no retalliation from israel and thus no palestinian casualties!

Yes but Hamas have not killed over 200 people, the majority of which were innocent women and children.....

If the whole of Gaza is blockaded, under attack from all sides and the IDF are "warning" civilians to evacuate, exactly where should the Gazans go given the fact that the stip of land is only 360 km squared?

You say you're Jewish, g-d will not accept that excuse my friend. "We told him we were going to bomb his house in 57 seconds" or "he lived near hamas".

In g-ds eyes a murder is a murder.

Peace