MH17 flight down in Ukraine

You know how there is an Israel/Palestine megathread? There should be one called "I'm so stupid that I believe....x" and all these posts get put there to be preserved for all time. Future generations can look back and have a good old laugh.

Be really careful with your judgements. It seems to me that you want to blame Russia for anything no matter what.

Black boxes were supposed to be handed to Moscow not because Putin really wants to see them, but because the main office of Interstate Aviation Committee is situated there. Ukraine is one of this organization participants.

Anyway Sergey Lavrov (Russian Minister of Foreign Affairs) has recently told that they don't want black boxes to stay in Russia and ready to hand them to international experts.

In deference to TSR's lack of willingness to call stupidity what it is, I think it would have be named something like "I'm such a paranoid delusional that I believe...". Or just simply "The Tin Foil Hat Thread".

"something along the lines of"... devastatingly accurate reporting there.

You are saying something has happened or is happening that has not yet been discussed. And no, I don't believe the UN will get involved, it's got no reason to. There are many far better qualified organisations - like the ones that actually regularly investigate plane crashes - that are far better suited to something like this and fully capable of operating independently - which is all the UN wants.

The various members of the UNSC are simply saying they want an independent investigation to happen. They are not saying they are running one, they are not saying they will run one.

I knew after the BRICS summit the US would need some kind of false flag to ramp up conventional military intervention. Since the sanctions pretty much weren't working (they were sanctioning themselves in the long run).

I'm wondering if it might not just need it's own entire forum, server and website.

I can't be bothered with the last 20 pages. Has anyone blamed Israel and the CIA yet?

Why do you feel the need to insult people because you don't agree with what they are saying? Alright may be I was confused but I'm just expressing my opinion from what I've heard on the news which I can't say accurately word for word as I may be wrong. I never said I was a 'reporter'.

I believe the UN will get involved because it is supported by many countries: Philip Hammond 'this must be resolved by an international investigation...we believe the United Nations particularly the United Nations Civil Aviation Authority Organisation is the right body to lead that investigation' http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10975231/Malaysia-Airlines-crash-UK-Foreign-Secretary-Philip-Hammond-comments-on-flight-MH17.html
and also because the crash involves citizens of many countries, it can only be fair to have a global inquiry. Who would they give it to then? The Australians, Ukrainians, Americans, the Dutch, English nay, even Russians? Who?
This is why in my opinion the UN should take over.

They were on Ukrainian territory and should have been handed to the Ukrainian aviation authorities. The Russian seizure of them is suspicious to say the least.

And in your deluded theory, did the US deliberately pick another Malaysian flight stuffed full of the nationals of US allies? Or would any civil flight have done?

The thing with all the conspiracy theories is that the obvious - that separatists and Russians did it - is also the most sinister.

Because you were reporting your opinions as fact when they were patently incorrect.

Saying now that people are suggesting it should be done by a UN body is massively different to how you stated in posts 365 and 370 that it was already being done by the UN.


Who was on the aircraft is, largely, immaterial. The people involved in the investigation should be: the Ukrainians (it crashed on their land), the Dutch (it originated from their soil), the Malaysians (the aircraft belonged to them and was operated by them) and the Americans (they built the aircraft). That's it. Beyond that it becomes a bureaucratic pinata and no answers will come out.

Because you were reporting your opinions as fact when they were patently incorrect.

Saying now that people are suggesting it should be done by a UN body is massively different to how you stated in posts 365 and 370 that it was already being done by the UN.


Who was on the aircraft is, largely, immaterial. The people involved in the investigation should be: the Ukrainians (it crashed on their land), the Dutch (it originated from their soil), the Malaysians (the aircraft belonged to them and was operated by them) and the Americans (they built the aircraft). That's it. Beyond that it becomes a bureaucratic pinata and no answers will come out.

I can't be bothered with the last 20 pages. Has anyone blamed Israel and the CIA yet?

Putin stands against the jew world order. They want to get rid of Putin and put in a billionaire Jewish oligarch who will likely oppress and kill them.

"Because you were reporting your opinions as fact when they were patently incorrect." That's a great reason to start insulting someone rather than telling them they are being incorrect.

Did you even read my post? Interstate Aviation Committee situated in Moscow is one of Ukrainian aviation authorities. Russia didn't seize boxes: separatists handed them to Russia (who else they could've handed them to?). Russia refused to work with boxes and wants to pass them to international experts. What's wrong with it?

I was telling you that you were wrong. You were ignoring it.

Time will tell, but I suspect that Putin's going to announce that the authorities outside Russia cannot be trusted to give an impartial analysis and that his people will analyse them and produce the report. We'll see anyway.

Time will tell, but I suspect that Putin's going to announce that the authorities outside Russia cannot be trusted to give an impartial analysis and that his people will analyse them and produce the report. We'll see anyway.

But Iran Air Flight 655 wasn't shot down by Ukraine, it was the Americans, so you clearly didn't look at the referred to incident and therefore completely missed the point.

I didn't look at it and just assumed it was the one Ukraine shot down in 2001. I still think you're missing the point, the point was that it's entirely meaningless.