Feminism = Female Supremacism: Men are the weaker sex.

I just have zero tolerance for idiocy. Can you just listen to me please.

I just have zero tolerance for idiocy. Can you just listen to me please.

Well, you basically accused me and those who agree with me if being responsible for all oppression throughout history. Come on.

Feminist's have finally shown their hand. Told the world what their true intentions and motivations are. Writing in the Guardian on Friday, prominent Feminist Hannah Betts said that, quote:






Without a glimmer of irony, she justifies these extraordinarily sexist and hate filled quotes on the back of some 'research' (scientific sexism), which says that males are the biologically weaker sex.

It really is a telling piece. It tells us men what we are up against. You can read the full diatribe here:

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jul/11/oh-how-we-fret-about-girls

Your thread was a perfect example of prejudice. Not my problem, I just judged you, as an individual.


I like how you still ignore this. It's like you honestly don't get it.

Being an opponent of the feminist movement is not prejudice. Feminism is not innate like race, gender or sexuality, it is a choice. It's also an increasingly radical ideology, and thus I will continue to oppose it and justify my opposition to it.

I don't have a problem with you opposing feminism. You just don't get it.

I get it perfectly. Feminism is an ideology that is fundamentally just wrong.

YouTube "Brainwash: The Gender Equality Paradox". It's a superb documentary that absolutely rips to pieces the feminist regime in Norway and uses plenty of credible evidence in the process. It was so influential that the Norwegian government defunded gender equality programs as a result.

I'll post a thread all about it next week when I have access to my laptop and aren't bashing out my posts on Tapatalk.

You still missed the point of my original post

What original post? We're on page 13 now and Tapatalk is a nightmare at the moment.

If you can condense your OP into a few sentences that'd be grand.

Haven't really looked at TSR for a while, good to see that it's exactly the same.

Quote one feminist, claim that somehow represents all feminist views, feminists get angry, non-feminists get angry, arguments happen, thread ends after a while and then another one starts the next day and so the cycle repeats.

Yep, this. Just like you shouldn't label all Muslims as terrorists, you shouldn't label all feminists as man-haters, yet its typical of the guys on here to make that ignorant mistake

There is a lot that is left to deal with they may not seem as important as the issues that need tackling in other countries such as malala yousafzai being shot in the head because her culture doesn't think women have the same rights to education as boys but there are still a lot of sexist constructs and attitudes in society. I'm not going to tell you to read the everyday sexism project because for some of the cases yeah I do agree that it's less sexism more over sensitivity/ that guy was a douche but there is a lack of respect for women still in society.

When I was growing up all I was bombarded with was messages that the only thing I was good for was to look good, get married and have a man look after me, that my role was a caring role and I should be focusing on domestic things, intelligence isn't attractive yeah don't be a stupid bimbo but don't be more intelligent/stronger/better at anything than a man because he'll be put off and you'll die a lonely old spinster. Dress a certain way, act a certain way the pressure for women is absolutely enormous women can't win and it needs to stop. Men are not put under as much scrutiny you only have to read articles on fairly incredible women and the main things that are mentioned is how they look and it needs to stop don't get me wrong I think it's becoming more common for men to be objectified and be reduced down to how good their abs are but I don't agree with that either.

There are certain things women are still not able to do like fighting on the front line, if women can pass the physical tests they should be allowed.
I don't agree with the whole gender-pay gap thing because women are less likely go into higher paid careers but I think the REASONING behind why needs to be addressed some don't because they're simply not interested in those sorts of careers but for others I know it was through fear of social rejection and I think women are as much to blame as men. However why are men being paid more for the same role and same job requirements as a woman and it does happen a lot. Women make other women feel bad and it's because every woman is seen as competition, how can you have women supporting each other when we're being pitted against each other? That's wear feminism is needed not just to "fight the patriarchy" but to help other women support women.


Basically freeing people from gender roles, gender stereotypes being that I'm not good at something because I'm female and doubting something I've told someone because "women don't know about that sort of stuff" or that I'll be good at cooking or cleaning because it's "women's work" and it helps men wouldn't it be nice if it was widely accepted that men were just as good at women at looking after their children? That the child shouldn't automatically live with it's mother?

I think it's really misrepresented as women kicking up a fuss over nothing or crazy man-hating women but fighting every day against sexism, sexist jokes that aren't funny, sexual assault i.e people thinking it's ok to slap you on the bottom ( I know this happens to men too), people assuming you'll be staying at home looking after the children - you're lazy and have no ambition if you do and if you don't you're a monster who shouldn't have had children btw there are just so many reasons and they might be minor but added together it becomes a problem.

Again I'm not comparing it to places where a major change of attitudes towards women is needed but just because we have a decent amount of equality it doesn't mean we should just stop and put up and shut up.

There is a lot that is left to deal with they may not seem as important as the issues that need tackling in other countries such as malala yousafzai being shot in the head because her culture doesn't think women have the same rights to education as boys but there are still a lot of sexist constructs and attitudes in society

there are still a lot of sexist constructs and attitudes in society

but there is a lack of respect for women still in society

When I was growing up all I was bombarded with was messages that the only thing I was good for was to look good, get married and have a man look after me, that my role was a caring role and I should be focusing on domestic things

Dress a certain way, act a certain way the pressure for women is absolutely enormous women can't win and it needs to stop.

Men are not put under as much scrutiny you only have to read articles on fairly incredible women and the main things that are mentioned is how they look and it needs to stop

I think it's becoming more common for men to be objectified and be reduced down to how good their abs are but I don't agree with that either.

There are certain things women are still not able to do like fighting on the front line, if women can pass the physical tests they should be allowed.

I don't agree with the whole gender-pay gap thing because women are less likely go into higher paid careers but I think the REASONING behind why needs to be addressed some don't because they're simply not interested in those sorts of careers but for others I know it was through fear of social rejection and I think women are as much to blame as men.

Women make other women feel bad and it's because every woman is seen as competition, how can you have women supporting each other when we're being pitted against each other? That's wear feminism is needed not just to "fight the patriarchy" but to help other women support women.

Basically freeing people from gender roles, gender stereotypes being that I'm not good at something because I'm female and doubting something I've told someone because "women don't know about that sort of stuff" or that I'll be good at cooking or cleaning because it's "women's work" and it helps men wouldn't it be nice if it was widely accepted that men were just as good at women at looking after their children? That the child shouldn't automatically live with it's mother?

people assuming you'll be staying at home looking after the children - you're lazy and have no ambition if you do and if you don't you're a monster who shouldn't have had children btw there are just so many reasons and they might be minor but added together it becomes a problem.

Again I'm not comparing it to places where a major change of attitudes towards women is needed but just because we have a decent amount of equality it doesn't mean we should just stop and put up and shut up.

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It's difficult to tell if you are feigning ignorance for its rhetorical effect or whether you genuinely can't see why a male would be concerned about this article. She is not "worrying" about males in the slightest and there is no indication of this in the article - it is dripping in sarcasm and disgust and written by an over-bearing feminist.

However, the main issue with the article is that she is comparing two entirely different things. She is trying to compare women being physically weaker in terms of their muscular anatomy and their inferiority in sports with men's suicide/crime/violence rates and male infant's illness rates. The two are incomparable. It's a nonsensical article from start to finish with a very clear agenda.

You seem to have good intentions and I agree with certain aspects of your post but there are some inaccurate assumptions too.




The vast majority of statements I hear from feminists, do not focus on these atrocities.

If you look at this link where thousands of women say why they are feminists, the very important and horrific stuff you mentioned is not the focus or even close to being the focus. I read through the first 50 or so and there was no mention of the noble concerns you point out. I as a non-feminists am utterly outraged at the treatment of 'Malala Yousafzai' and the girls abducted by 'Boko Haram'. I definitely do not need feminism to feel this way.

As i said in the first 50 or so I read none of the issues you mention are raised, these ones however are....

"I need feminism because my women's studies degree is just as valid as any other degree"

"I need feminism because having STD's should be a badge of honour not a stigma"

"I need feminism because if you honk I might fall off my bike"



This happens both ways and a movement advocating the reversal of issues afflicting one of the genders and causing division is not the best method to bring about equality for both of the sexes.

The same reason feminism never gets bent out of shape over; domestic violence against men, male genital mutilation, longer prison sentences against men for comparable crimes, men being treated unfairly in family courts etc etc etc Is the same reason I will never support feminism. It is not about gender equality, it is about equality for women. If feminism truly strove for equality for both sexes I would be firmly behind it!



There is no more a 'lack of respect for women' than a 'lack of respect for men'. (If you are talking about western society, if not refer to my first response in this post). This video shows that there is not a 'widespread societal attitude of disrespect toward women'. There are issues were women are **** on and issues were men are **** on and both need to be addressed under a banner of equal of opportunity and treatment for both genders. I truly believe in equality and I do not was a 'men's rights' movement to achieved this and I do not was a 'women's rights' movement to achieve this. This should be done using a non gender dividing approach that demands equality and fair treatment for both sexes.



General attitudes certainly were discriminatory in the past and there was a valid place for feminism in western society, do you not feel these attitudes have 'by and large' been addressed?

My partner wanted to stay at home and look after the kids for a couple of years, she done this and experienced some very discriminatory treatment from feminist attitudes for freely making the 'wrong choice'. Is feminism not about the freedom of women to choose which roles they wish to undertake? She wanted to spend time and instil the values she cherished in our children and had no problem successfully completing a physics degree when she decided to.



I have seen plenty feminists only add to this problem by deeming women who dress provacitely as conforming to stereotypes and promoting objectification.



There is an element of truth in this but there are plenty women in Scottish politics (such as Johan Lamont, Nicola Sturgeon and Ruth Davidson) 2 of which are leaders of their parties and one is the deputy leader. I am sure it happens because an odd man will hold out of date views and I am sure the odd female does the same. The tiny amount of people who will objectify these people are not representative of 'male views' which need to be challenged. Coincidently I have never personally heard anyone slate these women for their looks, just their politics.



This just shows it cuts both ways and does not need to be tackled from one side. For this to be eradicated a non gender specific approach that encourages people not to 'judge a book by it's cover' is needed. Personally I couldn't care if someone complimented me on a physical attribute, I would take it as a compliment and realise people do judge each other to an extent on our looks. It is a factor in chosing mates and is inherent. This will only ever totally change if evolution undoes countless years of evolution.



I totally agree, this is not something I hear many feminists go on about though as mentioned in my link as to why women class themselves as feminists. You sound like someone who truly advocates equality in many senses and are going by the rosy version of feminism that absurdly claims it is about gender equality for both sexes. In practicality this just isn't the case.



There is legislation in place to tackle this. The 'equality act 2010' covers a lot of this. It is illegal to pay someone a different rate of pay according to gender. For example to minimum wage (wrongly in my opinion) discriminates on the grounds of age. The minimum wage is the same for each gender though. In regular 'lower skilled' wage set ups (not considering the higher echelons of business) there is not much of a pay gap, in fact there are several states in the USA where women earn more that men in these roles.

With regards to upper business, this is a more complex issue. A US government study found that this was a bit of a myth when the real figures were equated after more females to time off to physcially give birth which a man cannot do. Due to this they were networking with colleagues less and career development suffered, it is hard to tackle this issue short of trying to implant whom's in males.



This is one reason that I would not identify as a feminist, feminism IMO highlights division and can paint women as helpless victims rather than empowered individuals (again I am really talking about western society and western feminism). This IMO is very damaging to women. The treatment my partner suffered from feminist attitudes of what exactly 'she should or should not be doing' were much more severe and harsh than any non feminist attitudes she encountered. Her equlity of choice and opportunity was hampered not aided by feminist attitudes.



It would, but this is not something I hear many feminists get bent out of shape over (again I refer you to this link of feminists saying why they are feminists) . Many males are treated shoddily at best in family courts.



Again the problems and discriminatory stereotyping attitudes my partner encountered when looking after the kids for a couple of years (entirely via her choice) before doing her degree emanated from people with feminist attitudes.



Issues of discrimination on the grounds of gender, race, age, sexuality etc should always be challenged. I do not feel feminism is the vehicle I would champion to do this.

to say I'm not a feminist would make me feel like I'm saying there isn't a problem in society when I think there is for both men and women.