The Israel/Palestine Conflict Mk. IV

Ohhh "discussing" you say...wow, maybe even an angry letter?

I'm talking about the rag-tag bunch of hypocrites we see marching by the thousands denouncing Israel, when Assad and other players in Syria kill that many people with a couple of barrel bombs.

So I ask you again...

Where was 'stop the war' coalition with regards to Syria? where are the thousands of protesters marching? over 3 years and 200,000 dead, yet nowhere to be seen.

Where are the boycott campaigns against Syria?

Where are those 'peace flotillas' LOL to Syria?

Around 20+ times as many Arabs have died in Syria in 3 years, than have died against Israel in 45+ years. Think about that for a minute.



I'm sorry. The BBC for example has had the Gaza situation from day 1 (when I say Day 1...I mean Day1 of Israel's retaliation, not Day 1 of Gaza's bombardment of Israel every day for 3 weeks prior to retaliation) as the main headline news.

The BBC counts every death and takes Hamas health ministry figures as being accurate. They make no distinction between terrorists and civilians. Death tolls are given as absolute.

In Ukraine more people have died. Why is that not headline news. Why do they talk about 'rebel' deaths and 'civilian' deaths? they manage to differentiate there, but not Gaza?

The disproportion here is the coverage Israel gets.




LOL, the Taliban are ordinary Afghans.


I'll tell you what Mori, I'll do you a deal. I have connections to the Israeli military.

I will propose a new military doctrine of 'proportionality' called The 'AutVinceriAutMori doctrine'. This will be based on your idea of proportionality.

Now I assume you would agree with me that mirroring someone's actions is as proportional as one can be, correct?

So this is my suggestion.

For every rocket indiscriminately fired from Gaza into Israel - Israel responds by firing the same unguided rocket, with the same payload as the 'palestinian' rocket.

So that would mean that around 150 rockets per day would land indiscriminately on Gaza.

So no guidance system & no targeting.

That is pure proportionality and I think Israel should adopt this tactic. What say you?

I agree that the settlements are not the root cause of the conflict (and said so in the post you quoted). Of course, the root cause of the conflict is that the Palestinian resistance movement cares more about the nakba than democracy. But some settlers are absolute criminals who treat the Arabs like ****. There's no denying that.

Actually, the Arab attacks against Jews pre-date the so-called Nakba by around 3 decades.

Vast majorities of 'settlers' are peaceful and many are quite happy to share with the Arabs. There are around half a million, so if they were all bad there would be far more problems. Most settlers that behave badly tend to be from abroad. As is fairly typical, people from abroad tend to have self-radicalised themselves and the whole reason they move to Israel is to specifically live in Judea and Samaria (west bank)

The 'west bank' is a new name of course.

I have great sympathy for them because Judea and Samaria morally belongs to the Jewish nation, as its history is rooted in Judaism. It has no connection to a 'palestinian' people, but does have come connection to Islam (which of course came a couple of thousand years after Judaism) and some connection to Arab peoples, but no connection to a 'palestinian' people.

I would have much more respect for them if they dropped the fabricated moniker of 'palestinians' and admitted they were Egyptians, Syrians, Jordanians etc,

A bit like this Hamas guy kindly explains

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=efa_1333570776

01:17 for the interesting admission.

Fine- let your friends at IDF know that they can fire a rocket for every Hamas rocket, but only if Iron Dome II is built around Gaza, and Israel uses the same rockets as Gaza does, as opposed to much more sophisticated weaponry that IDF employs. Let Gazans take their share of US and EU aid to build their infrastructure. Let Gaza have a paid PR army to defend it's every action like IDF does. Deal?
Let me know how your negotiations go.

You can't help yourself can you?


Try responding to what I said, not what I didn't say. I was plainly referring to how Arab culture manifests itself in the world TODAY, not 1600 years ago!


Again respond to what I said, don't make it up to suit yourself! You know I was referring to the three Abrahamic religions, a point I made in response to your initial comment about Islam being much more gender egalitarian than Judaism and Christianity. You need to learn a discussion involves a dialogue, not a bit of disparagement followed by unrelated points masquerading as relevant responses to my points.


Totally nothing to do with my initial response to what you said. Can you please try and concentrate on the points at hand instead of going off on a tangent. It seems like you are presuming to guess my views. How patronizing.


You have know idea what I read and what I don't so stop pretending. The only "stereotyping" going on is you stereotyping me as some ignorant Westerner whose understanding of the topic must be lacking, especially when it is contra to your own. The rest of your statement is vague generalisation.


That is just it, I did go to the trouble of addressing your particular points. How you managed to overlook that puzzles me. I have to conclude the entire exercise has been a waste of my time because of your childish efforts to gain ground by rude remarks, your patronising assumptions about what I know and think: incredibly stereotypical and wide of the mark. You seriously need to try and contain your argument to the points of response. Falsely attributing words to another is either lazy because you cannot be bothered to read the person's reply properly, or just purposefully disingenuous.

I think "atrocities" is perhaps over egging things a bit.

First of all you should concede that not a single Gazan would be killed if they did not fire rockets or send their murderers out to kill Israeli boys in the West Bank.

And before you mention the blockade - first of all there was no blockade in place between 2005 and 2007. Yet the rockets kept coming.

The migrant issue is a non-starter. Both 'palestinians' and Jews were migrants into the region of 'palestine'. Remember that Jews bought a lot of land and indeed some of that land is now in the possession of 'palestinians' despite the fact it was bought by Jews.

I think it's time for 'palestinains' to stop being professional refugees. The world has seen far greater refugee problems and in more recent times too.

It has happened throughout history and people have resolved their situation. Remember Israel took in 900,000 refugees.


Anyway, appreciate your comments.

Lets be honest that country belongs to Jews. Has there ever been a country called Palestine before?? Not that I remember. What is a Palestinian then? they're almost very much a mythological group. I suppose if they're than a Jew can be a Palestinian. It's not like Islam hasn't entered other lands and occupying them either. Forcing it's culture, ways and beliefs onto other people without their consent either..but of course lets ignore that because we use a different term to describe that effect

Lets be honest that country belongs to Jews. Has there ever been a country called Palestine before?? Not that I remember. What is a Palestinian then? they're almost very much a mythological group. I suppose if they're than a Jew can be a Palestinian. It's not like Islam hasn't entered other lands and occupying them either. Forcing it's culture, ways and beliefs onto other people without their consent either..but of course lets ignore that because we use a different term to describe that effect

Every racial/national group is defined only by the people themselves - Wales would just be another region of England if the Welsh didn't see themselves as a distinct group. The people living in the area known as Palestine see themselves as Palestinians, therefore they have the right to self-determination.

And the way I see it is that there was an injustice done to the people who were living in the Palestinian mandate territory, and I would support their claim to separate statehood if it weren't for their dismal attitude to Israel and democracy (of course I'm generalising).

Palestinians had inhabited these lands for centuries, don't forget.

Haha, the hypocrisy on this thread is....huge.

How so?