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Are we heading for World War III?

Pro-Russian rebels have allegedly shot down a plane killing 300 civilians and the Ukrainian government says that they have evidence that Russia had provided the rebels with weapons.

We all heard about that incident but terrorism takes place on a far greater scale. Western media reports but a fraction of terrorist attacks...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2014

We seem to live in a world where people get killed on a mass scale and nothing is ever done about it. The world we live in is a truly disgusting place, governments and world organisations seem too worried of losing public support that war is rarely declared and acts of terrorism go unpunished. Terrorist groups know that they will get away with it so do it time and time again.

The West v The Rest.

Who would win? It can't be too long until Paddy Power start offering odds for it.

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Original post by Michael!
Pro-Russian rebels have allegedly shot down a plane killing 300 civilians and the Ukrainian government says that they have evidence that Russia had provided the rebels with weapons.

We all heard about that incident but terrorism takes place on a far greater scale. Western media reports but a fraction of terrorist attacks...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2014

We seem to live in a world where people get killed on a mass scale and nothing is ever done about it. The world we live in is a truly disgusting place, governments and world organisations seem too worried of losing public support that war is rarely declared and acts of terrorism go unpunished. Terrorist groups know that they will get away with it so do it time and time again.

The West v The Rest.

Who would win? It can't be too long until Paddy Power start offering odds for it.


Firstly, the post-war period is marked by precipitous decline of inter-state conflict, and the rise of irregular, non-state and intra-state conflict. That said, aggregate levels of conflict and their casualties have fallen to historic lows, despite the tendency - as here - for apocalyptic claims, which are constant across history. Secondly, I don't see any conceivable path to a Cold War revival or a Russian-NATO conflict.
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Original post by Michael!
Pro-Russian rebels have allegedly shot down a plane killing 300 civilians and the Ukrainian government says that they have evidence that Russia had provided the rebels with weapons.

We all heard about that incident but terrorism takes place on a far greater scale. Western media reports but a fraction of terrorist attacks...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2014

We seem to live in a world where people get killed on a mass scale and nothing is ever done about it. The world we live in is a truly disgusting place, governments and world organisations seem too worried of losing public support that war is rarely declared and acts of terrorism go unpunished. Terrorist groups know that they will get away with it so do it time and time again.

The West v The Rest.

Who would win? It can't be too long until Paddy Power start offering odds for it.


Well Putin is one of those old fashioned USSR type ruskies, so a part of me is expecting a war against them. But logic states that: it's Russia the best thing for you is to run away. If there is a war Russia will win, but I think that we are either too smart/pussy (can't accuse politicians of being smart) to do it.

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If there's one thing that we should have learned from the Cold War, it's that the old Soviet Union was actually incapable of sustaining a war. And those were the days when they had a concerted defence effort and experienced soldiers and officers.
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Original post by Michael!
Pro-Russian rebels have allegedly shot down a plane killing 300 civilians and the Ukrainian government says that they have evidence that Russia had provided the rebels with weapons.

We all heard about that incident but terrorism takes place on a far greater scale. Western media reports but a fraction of terrorist attacks...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2014

We seem to live in a world where people get killed on a mass scale and nothing is ever done about it. The world we live in is a truly disgusting place, governments and world organisations seem too worried of losing public support that war is rarely declared and acts of terrorism go unpunished. Terrorist groups know that they will get away with it so do it time and time again.

The West v The Rest.

Who would win? It can't be too long until Paddy Power start offering odds for it.


Its unlikely since Putin has given no evidence that he's prepared to invade an aligned state and the likes of Ukraine and Georgia have pretty much no air force or navy. It should be noted however that we are engaged in proxy wars with Russia and Iran (ironically we are allying against ISIS but fighting against Assad).

I can potentially see a face off against whereby some western countries eventually have troops to stop Russia pushing too far but its hard to see either side firing.
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Original post by Michael!
Pro-Russian rebels have allegedly shot down a plane killing 300 civilians and the Ukrainian government says that they have evidence that Russia had provided the rebels with weapons.

We all heard about that incident but terrorism takes place on a far greater scale. Western media reports but a fraction of terrorist attacks...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2014

We seem to live in a world where people get killed on a mass scale and nothing is ever done about it. The world we live in is a truly disgusting place, governments and world organisations seem too worried of losing public support that war is rarely declared and acts of terrorism go unpunished. Terrorist groups know that they will get away with it so do it time and time again.

The West v The Rest.

Who would win? It can't be too long until Paddy Power start offering odds for it.


*We've always lived in a world where people get killed on a mass scale..."

It's only now the media gives us more awareness of it.
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Matthew 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
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Original post by Andy98
Well Putin is one of those old fashioned USSR type ruskies, so a part of me is expecting a war against them. But logic states that: it's Russia the best thing for you is to run away. If there is a war Russia will win, but I think that we are either too smart/pussy (can't accuse politicians of being smart) to do it.

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If we exclude nukes then id love to know what makes you think they'd win.

The Russian air force is old meaning it can be detected, half its planes don't have pilots or parts. The UK and France alone have near 500 strike craft made after the Cold war which are more advanced.

Same with the Russian Navy. Barely anything post cold-war and the strongest they have is the equivalent of type 42's. Our type 45's can track 2000 targets and take on 5 type 42's a piece.

On the ground Russia has numbers so you'd expect parts of Europe to fall but its unlikely they'd pass a line from Poland to Italy.

With overwhelming air and sea superiority Europe alone would be waving the flag over Moscow in 6 months.
This thread makes it sound like you want a war.
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Original post by Rakas21
If we exclude nukes then id love to know what makes you think they'd win.

The Russian air force is old meaning it can be detected, half its planes don't have pilots or parts. The UK and France alone have near 500 strike craft made after the Cold war which are more advanced.

Same with the Russian Navy. Barely anything post cold-war and the strongest they have is the equivalent of type 42's. Our type 45's can track 2000 targets and take on 5 type 42's a piece.

On the ground Russia has numbers so you'd expect parts of Europe to fall but its unlikely they'd pass a line from Poland to Italy.

With overwhelming air and sea superiority Europe alone would be waving the flag over Moscow in 6 months.


You forget that they have the home ground advantage. If we try to invade we will freeze to death. Otherwise Hitler and Napoleon would have managed.

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Instead of attacking countries, the powers have just found it easier to isolate them. Unless it's in a country's vested interest to attack. I don't think anyone will gain from an invasion of Russia, let's just cut them off like we did with Iran
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You forget that they have the home ground advantage. If we try to invade we will freeze to death. Otherwise Hitler and Napoleon would have managed.

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That's more relevant to occupation than the initial invasion since its unlikely it would take long once war broke out.

Also Hitler attacked during the coldest winter for 300 years, that was not a normal winter. We also have a better ability to stay warm nowadays.
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Well it scares the death out of me, the Ruskies must be ****ting their pants.
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Original post by Andy98
You forget that they have the home ground advantage. If we try to invade we will freeze to death. Otherwise Hitler and Napoleon would have managed.

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Why on earth would anyone want to invade Russia today?
No I don't think so, a third world war would involve nukes & nobody wants that the earth would be obliterated.
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Original post by qwerty73
Matthew 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.


Did you just quote the bible to me? Why don't you quote some Winnie the Pooh and The Smurfs as well?
Couldn't even find an original thread idea...




Anyway, to answer your question: no.
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Original post by Rakas21
If we exclude nukes then id love to know what makes you think they'd win.

The Russian air force is old meaning it can be detected, half its planes don't have pilots or parts. The UK and France alone have near 500 strike craft made after the Cold war which are more advanced.

Same with the Russian Navy. Barely anything post cold-war and the strongest they have is the equivalent of type 42's. Our type 45's can track 2000 targets and take on 5 type 42's a piece.

On the ground Russia has numbers so you'd expect parts of Europe to fall but its unlikely they'd pass a line from Poland to Italy.

With overwhelming air and sea superiority Europe alone would be waving the flag over Moscow in 6 months.


Russia would get absolutely dominated on their own. The issue is not knowing who would take their back. If they ended up with China, North Korea, Iran etc... Then things would get difficult.

Then of course, nukes would most likely be used. The USA and EU will have a ridiculous secret stock pile so they'd be alright. But of course, millions/billions of people would die and we'd be thrown into an apocalyptic Armageddon, so. Yeah. Probably not the best idea!
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Original post by Drewski
Couldn't even find an original thread idea...




Anyway, to answer your question: no.


I've had just about enough of keyboard warriors...

I clearly didn't see that thread otherwise I wouldn't have started this one. Pipe down.
Original post by Rakas21
That's more relevant to occupation than the initial invasion since its unlikely it would take long once war broke out.

Also Hitler attacked during the coldest winter for 300 years, that was not a normal winter. We also have a better ability to stay warm nowadays.


The Germans invaded Russia 22nd June 1941.(Gosh don't winters start early in Russia! )

All winters are very very cold in Russia. Haven't you heard?

We may be able to keep warm better but we still can't make the supply line into Russia any shorter.

Every invading army into Russia has thought that this time they could do better than the last attempt. Any invading army into any country has to cope with the fact that people defending their own country fight harder than people thousands of miles from their home.

We should have learnt from the Vietnam fiasco.

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