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The Israel/Palestine Conflict Mk. IV
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Original post by MASTER265
Government intel proves where Israel distribute leaflets and digitally communicate with civilians to evacuate the area, Hamas has them congregate in the area without the knowledge of an inevitable airstrike or artillery strike. Hamas are pure evil and a terrorist organisation. How can you defend people like this who would given the chance and I quote from Hamas propaganda "remove by force or act of genocide any non Muslim and western citizen". They would kill you and your family with no remorse while Israel have no interest in attacking non Muslims or the west. Seriously.
Hamas publicly said they want to eradicate the Jewish state of Israel seriously wtf do you expect Israel to do.
Hamas publicly said they want to eradicate the Jewish state of Israel seriously wtf do you expect Israel to do.
Lol a country with the kind of funding and backing and technology that Israel has, launches missiles that pretty much have the sole aim of causing as much destruction as possible, no attempt to target Hamas strategically - just look at the death tolls and it's glaringly obvious the only victims of this war are Palestinian civilians. Kids have been targeted and killed just in the past week, supposedly from a nation with an advanced military.
This is who you are defending. Nation of sadistic terrorists. **** em all
(edited 9 years ago)
Developments so far:
Israel confirms a soldier is "missing". Family is clinging onto the hope that he is alive and state that they will not believe anyone apart from the IDF.
Israel rejects Humanitarian ceasefire requested by the United Nations.
Israel fires warning shots at Al Jazeera's offices.
Egypt refuses to allow Tunisian humanitarian aiirplane to pass through.
An Israeli soldier has been shot in the West Bank.
Official confirmed death toll figures for IDF deaths is 27 killed (9 killed on Monday alone). 2 civilians have also died.
The United States is sending $47 million to Gaza.
Direct rocket attack on a house in Yehud. Concerns over Iron Dome system.
@qassam_arabic1 reports suggesting that the IDF death toll is at least 53. Latest reports suggesting that over 130 soldiers are currently hospitalised.
Qassam release video of engaging with IDF soldiers.
Palestinian death toll: 600+, 121 children killed. 900+ injured, 107,000 children need immediate counselling.
Israel confirms a soldier is "missing". Family is clinging onto the hope that he is alive and state that they will not believe anyone apart from the IDF.
Israel rejects Humanitarian ceasefire requested by the United Nations.
Israel fires warning shots at Al Jazeera's offices.
Egypt refuses to allow Tunisian humanitarian aiirplane to pass through.
An Israeli soldier has been shot in the West Bank.
Official confirmed death toll figures for IDF deaths is 27 killed (9 killed on Monday alone). 2 civilians have also died.
The United States is sending $47 million to Gaza.
Direct rocket attack on a house in Yehud. Concerns over Iron Dome system.
@qassam_arabic1 reports suggesting that the IDF death toll is at least 53. Latest reports suggesting that over 130 soldiers are currently hospitalised.
Qassam release video of engaging with IDF soldiers.
Palestinian death toll: 600+, 121 children killed. 900+ injured, 107,000 children need immediate counselling.
Original post by bertstare
Lol a country with the kind of funding and backing and technology that Israel has, launches missiles that pretty much have the sole aim of causing as much destruction as possible, no attempt to target Hamas strategically -
This is who you are defending. Nation of sadistic terrorists. **** em all
This is who you are defending. Nation of sadistic terrorists. **** em all
Let's look at how NATO performs:
Nato admitted that a cluster bomb aimed at an airfield in the Yugoslav city of Nis hit a hospital and a market, killing 15 civilians.
Russia and China lodged protests after Nato's raid on a railway bridge hit a passenger train, killing 10 and leaving 16 injured.
The Belgrade-Salonika train had been crossing the bridge near Leskovac, southern Serbia as the air-launched missile released several miles away reached its target.
The Belgrade-Salonika train had been crossing the bridge near Leskovac, southern Serbia as the air-launched missile released several miles away reached its target.
After days of speculation, Nato leaders said the alliance was responsible for two attacks on Kosovo convoys, both of which might have included refugees fleeing western Kosovo.
The alliance said that its pilots had been hunting Yugoslav units burning out villages in western Kosovo but Serb media said the attack left 70 dead.
The alliance said that its pilots had been hunting Yugoslav units burning out villages in western Kosovo but Serb media said the attack left 70 dead.
Serbian officials reported that Nato killed at least 16 civilians after two missiles hit a residential area in the southern town of Surdulica.
The alliance said that it had struck an army barracks - but did not rule out civilian deaths.
Speaking at Nato HQ, General Giuseppe Marani said: "After more than 4,000 attack sorties, one bomb went astray. We put all our effort in avoiding collateral damage. "Things like this can happen and in fact they happened."
The alliance said that it had struck an army barracks - but did not rule out civilian deaths.
Speaking at Nato HQ, General Giuseppe Marani said: "After more than 4,000 attack sorties, one bomb went astray. We put all our effort in avoiding collateral damage. "Things like this can happen and in fact they happened."
At least 23 people died when a Nato missile aimed at the Luzane bridge north of Pristina hit a passenger bus.
Nato admitted that a cluster bomb aimed at an airfield in the Yugoslav city of Nis hit a hospital and a market, killing 15 civilians.
In the biggest mistake of the campaign to date, Washington admitted that an out-of-date map used by its intelligence operations had led Nato to launch missiles at the Chinese embassy in Belgrade, killing three people,
At least 100 civilians died after Nato bombed what it said were "legitimate military targets" in the village of Korisa, southern Kosovo.
Footage broadcast by Serbian TV showed charred remains, including at least two children, smouldering homes and burning tractors.
The BBC's correspondent in Pristina, Jacky Rowland, reported that forensic teams were trying to piece together human remains to establish the exact death toll.
The alliance rejected reports that it had used cluster bombs - a weapon designed to target humans.
In a statement, Nato said that it deeply regretted any accidental civilian casualties and that military equipment had been seen in the area.
Footage broadcast by Serbian TV showed charred remains, including at least two children, smouldering homes and burning tractors.
The BBC's correspondent in Pristina, Jacky Rowland, reported that forensic teams were trying to piece together human remains to establish the exact death toll.
The alliance rejected reports that it had used cluster bombs - a weapon designed to target humans.
In a statement, Nato said that it deeply regretted any accidental civilian casualties and that military equipment had been seen in the area.
Serb officials say that a Nato bombing attack led to the deaths of at least three patients in a Belgrade hospital.
Yugoslavia reported that at least 20 people lost their lives when Nato bombs hit a sanotorium and neighbouring old people's home in Surdulica, south-east Serbia - the second loss of civilian life in the town since bombing began.
And this is all in Serbia alone.
Imagine what's happened in 13 years of war in Afghanistan.
Original post by bertstare
Lol a country with the kind of funding and backing and technology that Israel has, launches missiles that pretty much have the sole aim of causing as much destruction as possible, no attempt to target Hamas strategically - just look at the death tolls and it's glaringly obvious the only victims of this war are Palestinian civilians. Kids have been targeted and killed just in the past week, supposedly from a nation with an advanced military.
This is who you are defending. Nation of sadistic terrorists. **** em all
This is who you are defending. Nation of sadistic terrorists. **** em all
Wow you read nothing I said so I'm not going to waste my time with you. Your video well is very inaccurate and considering the headlines very bias against Israel. Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Turkey and UAE to name some have said Hamas is a terrorist organisation linked to the former political group Muslim brotherhood. Clearly you think Israel should let Hamas remain a threat to their nation. Israel have every right to defend theirselves and destroy their enemy who poses a threat.
Majority of governments support the evidence that Hamas hides their weapons in heavily populated areas such as schools and hospitals.
If you can't even say that Hamas is sick and evil I will not be continuing this discussion with you because any sane person will see they are using human shields.
Original post by MASTER265
Wow you read nothing I said so I'm not going to waste my time with you. Your video well is very inaccurate and considering the headlines very bias against Israel. Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Turkey and UAE to name some have said Hamas is a terrorist organisation linked to the former political group Muslim brotherhood. Clearly you think Israel should let Hamas remain a threat to their nation. Israel have every right to defend theirselves and destroy their enemy who poses a threat.
Majority of governments support the evidence that Hamas hides their weapons in heavily populated areas such as schools and hospitals.
If you can't even say that Hamas is sick and evil I will not be continuing this discussion with you because any sane person will see they are using human shields.
Majority of governments support the evidence that Hamas hides their weapons in heavily populated areas such as schools and hospitals.
If you can't even say that Hamas is sick and evil I will not be continuing this discussion with you because any sane person will see they are using human shields.
Spot on.
Original post by Chindits
Let's look at how NATO performs:
And this is all in Serbia alone.
Imagine what's happened in 13 years of war in Afghanistan.
And this is all in Serbia alone.
Imagine what's happened in 13 years of war in Afghanistan.
Sorry, was that supposed to convince us it's ok?
Original post by gideon123
since when did having a mass of underground oil become a contribution that humans have achieved through hard work?.....didnt think so, the location of oil is just a matter of geography.
Sorry I was being ironic.
Jews punch massively above their weight in all fields of science and humanities.
They contribute more in proportion to their numbers than any other people.
Original post by tsr1269
Developments so far:
Israel confirms a soldier is "missing". Family is clinging onto the hope that he is alive and state that they will not believe anyone apart from the IDF.
Israel confirms a soldier is "missing". Family is clinging onto the hope that he is alive and state that they will not believe anyone apart from the IDF.
Ha ha, that's the same man 'Aaron Shaul' who Hamas confirmed they'd captured 2 or 3 days ago, a claim the Israeli government denied vehemently. The IDF must be in a very desperate position indeed to be thus keeping the unnerving truth from the Israeli sheeple.
Tbh it doesn't matter, I'll say Gaza but this thing is never going to change. Israel answers to no-one, I mean they just bombed a ******* hospital for gods sake, no one even says anything to them about it. Putin gets world wide aggressive talk about sanctions when rebels which he supplies but probably can't directly influence that easily decide to shoot down a plane, and although it probably was pro-Russian rebels, it hasn't been proven completely.
Where as Israel is the only one bombing Palestine, so there's no question as to to is targeting hospitals, UN schools etc, you don't "accidentally" hit a hospital. But everything just talks about "needing to find a peaceful solution", if it was any other country you'd have officials in other nations shouting from the rooftops "They're breaking Geneva convention, bombing schools/hospitals! This is totally unacceptable." and then talk on sanctions. Also there's using white phosphorous..in case anyone forgot about that.
Where as Israel is the only one bombing Palestine, so there's no question as to to is targeting hospitals, UN schools etc, you don't "accidentally" hit a hospital. But everything just talks about "needing to find a peaceful solution", if it was any other country you'd have officials in other nations shouting from the rooftops "They're breaking Geneva convention, bombing schools/hospitals! This is totally unacceptable." and then talk on sanctions. Also there's using white phosphorous..in case anyone forgot about that.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jul/21/hospital-hamas-isreal-hiding-among-civilians
Hamas, they tell us, is cowardly and cynical.
Hiding among civilians.
They hid at the el-Wafa hospital. They hid at the beach, where children played football. They hid at the yard of 75 year old Muhammad Hamad. They hid among the residential quarters of Shujaya. They hid in the home of the poet, Othman Hussein. They hid in the thousands of houses damaged or destroyed. They hid in 84 schools and 23 medical facilities. They hid in a cafe, where Gazans were watching the World Cup. They hid in the ambulances trying to retrieve the injured.
Masters of disguise, they hid so well that no one ever found them. They hid themselves in a young woman in pink household slippers, sprawled on the pavement, taken down while fleeing. They hid themselves in the little boy whose parts were carried away by his father in a plastic shopping bag. They hid themselves in an elderly woman, lying in a pool of blood on a stone floor.
Hamas, they tell us, is cowardly and cynical.
Hiding among civilians.
They hid at the el-Wafa hospital. They hid at the beach, where children played football. They hid at the yard of 75 year old Muhammad Hamad. They hid among the residential quarters of Shujaya. They hid in the home of the poet, Othman Hussein. They hid in the thousands of houses damaged or destroyed. They hid in 84 schools and 23 medical facilities. They hid in a cafe, where Gazans were watching the World Cup. They hid in the ambulances trying to retrieve the injured.
Masters of disguise, they hid so well that no one ever found them. They hid themselves in a young woman in pink household slippers, sprawled on the pavement, taken down while fleeing. They hid themselves in the little boy whose parts were carried away by his father in a plastic shopping bag. They hid themselves in an elderly woman, lying in a pool of blood on a stone floor.
Hamas, they tell us, is cowardly and cynical.
I support Israel because they have the moral high ground by sticking to ceasefires. Hamas breaks them. The Gazans suffer as a result, but that are you telling me Israel just allows rocket attacks on their people and land? That's beyond ridiculous. Hamas has bred a hellhole in Gaza and thinks Israel will recognises Gazans as hostages and think they'll hold back.
Israel has given up so much land and people are still no satisfied. There's so many that think Israel wants to expand and it makes no sense.
I'd like someone who supports Palestine (for some reason there was no need for a Palestinian state when it was under Jordanian rule) to give me a scenario of what they'd like to happen and what they propose as a solution to this bearing in mind that there's been so many ceasefires that have gone to **** due to Hamas firing rockets into Israel.
Israel has given up so much land and people are still no satisfied. There's so many that think Israel wants to expand and it makes no sense.
I'd like someone who supports Palestine (for some reason there was no need for a Palestinian state when it was under Jordanian rule) to give me a scenario of what they'd like to happen and what they propose as a solution to this bearing in mind that there's been so many ceasefires that have gone to **** due to Hamas firing rockets into Israel.
(edited 9 years ago)
Original post by Captain Haddock
Sorry, was that supposed to convince us it's ok?
No. The point is that if the most power and sophisticated military power on earth ends up hitting Hospitals and civilians like NATO - then how on earth do you expect Israel to avoid civilian casualties in a place like Gaza where it's dense and the terrorist infrastructure is completely embedded in the civilian infrastructure.
It's impossible.
Israeli soldiers are dying now because they're having to pick out targets in amongst civilians instead of levelling the place.
Original post by well in the dark
Ha ha, that's the same man 'Aaron Shaul' who Hamas confirmed they'd captured 2 or 3 days ago, a claim the Israeli government denied vehemently. The IDF must be in a very desperate position indeed to be thus keeping the unnerving truth from the Israeli sheeple.
Apparently, the names of the dead Israeli soldiers were already being passed around Whatsapp and social media even before the IDF could inform the families.
Original post by Acidy
Do you see Rabbi's with Suicide vests walking into ASDA with the intention of inflicting harm? No.
"All of the Palestinians must be killed; men, women, infants, and even their beasts."
Rabbi Yisrael Rosen, director of the Tsomet Institute, a long-established religious institute attended by students and soldiers in the Israeli settlements of the West Bank.
His opinion is widely supported by Rabbis in Israel; quote
At the head of those supporting his opinion is Rabbi Mordechai Eliyahu, the leading religious authority in Israel's religious national current, and former chief Eastern rabbi for Israel. Rosen's opinion also has the support of Rabbi Dov Lior, president of the Council of Rabbis of Judea and Samaria (the West Bank), and Rabbi Shmuel Eliyahu, the chief rabbi of Safed and a candidate for the post of chief rabbi of Israel. A number of political leaders in Israel have also shown enthusiasm for the opinion, including Ori Lubiansky, head of the Jerusalem municipality.
These are the loud opinions of men preparing their state to commit genocide. Comparisons to the Nazis are justified and worrying.
Grow up from this delusion of Israeli innocence. As if your pathetic views deserve a new thread.
The fact of the matter is that Israel just wants to wipe Palestine off of the map and get rid of the Palestinians...they want all of the land that they think is theirs. They know full well what they are doing and it's not to fight terrorists, that's an excuse to give them time before anyone finds out what their actual intention is...
Original post by Fact
In the face of international legislation, your argument collapses entirely.
United Nations General Assembly Resolution A/RES/33/24 of 29 November 1978:
“2. Reaffirms the legitimacy of the struggle of peoples for independence, territorial integrity, national unity and liberation from colonial and foreign domination and foreign occupation by all available means, particularly armed struggle;” (3)
United Nations General Assembly Resolution A/RES/3246 (XXIX) of 29 November 1974:
3. Reaffirms the legitimacy of the peoples’ struggle for liberation form colonial and foreign domination and alien subjugation by all available means, including armed struggle; …
7. Strongly condemns all Governments which do not recognize the right to self-determination and independence of peoples under colonial and foreign domination and alien subjugation, notably the peoples of Africa and the Palestinian people; (4)
But then again, I don't believe Israeli's think international law extends them at all.
United Nations General Assembly Resolution A/RES/33/24 of 29 November 1978:
“2. Reaffirms the legitimacy of the struggle of peoples for independence, territorial integrity, national unity and liberation from colonial and foreign domination and foreign occupation by all available means, particularly armed struggle;” (3)
United Nations General Assembly Resolution A/RES/3246 (XXIX) of 29 November 1974:
3. Reaffirms the legitimacy of the peoples’ struggle for liberation form colonial and foreign domination and alien subjugation by all available means, including armed struggle; …
7. Strongly condemns all Governments which do not recognize the right to self-determination and independence of peoples under colonial and foreign domination and alien subjugation, notably the peoples of Africa and the Palestinian people; (4)
But then again, I don't believe Israeli's think international law extends them at all.
Nice strawman. That has nothing to do with his argument in the slightest, which was that the criticism of Israel for using disproportionate force is silly, as if they should simply accept more casualties themselves for the sake of turning it into some sort of gentlemen's game. It's not against international law to be really good at waging war.
Verily after hardship come ease. Verily the jews must pay dearly for their filthy behaviour, verily they must be slayed till they leave the land they stole
Original post by Yafman
Watching this video brings tears to my eyes, how can you say you support Israel when they killed hundreds of innocent civilians in a matter days. Then people have the nerve to call Muslims terrorist, what greater crime is their than this?
remember what happened 9/11 happens in gaza 24/7
Watching this video brings tears to my eyes, how can you say you support Israel when they killed hundreds of innocent civilians in a matter days. Then people have the nerve to call Muslims terrorist, what greater crime is their than this?
remember what happened 9/11 happens in gaza 24/7
Hundreds of civilians have unfortunately been killed because Hamas uses them as human shields, operating out of and hiding weapons in hospitals, mosques and residential areas. Of course it's tragic, but the fact alone that a Palestinian civilian dies does not automatically proportion all blame and guilt on Israel.
I knew that journalism at The Guardian was bad, but have they really come to the point where their journalism comes down to making a list?
Anti-Zionist media? I think you've been brainwashed yourself.
It is pretty clear to anyone that a lot of news outlets (especially BBC) are strongly biased towards Israel.
But you're right, the Jewish population do hold quite a lot of the worlds wealth. Perhaps the only reason the USA are backing them?
If it was any other country people would be trying to stop Israel and impose sanctions on them. I mean they can't be that peaceful if they're bombing and killing innocent civilians can they?
It's all bull**** anyway. Morons fighting because of different interpretations to a made up story
It is pretty clear to anyone that a lot of news outlets (especially BBC) are strongly biased towards Israel.
But you're right, the Jewish population do hold quite a lot of the worlds wealth. Perhaps the only reason the USA are backing them?
If it was any other country people would be trying to stop Israel and impose sanctions on them. I mean they can't be that peaceful if they're bombing and killing innocent civilians can they?
It's all bull**** anyway. Morons fighting because of different interpretations to a made up story
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