The Israel/Palestine Conflict Mk. IV

1 - because Israel is supposedly a 'civilised' state favoured by our governments and their actions legitimised in our name. It's interesting that you drew that parallel between ISIS and Israel because the only difference between their actions is the empty and hypocritical justifications given for Israeli actions by westerners such as yourself.
2 - in the 2 protests I've been to (the most recent on Saturday) I haven't heard anything remotely anti-semetic, so these must be isolated, and I can assure you that there is absolutely no consensus in protests for such racist slurs.
3 - I'm not suggesting that anti-semetism is a myth, and horrible events such as the one you described do occur, I'm just stating that such events cannot be used to justify the slaughter of 600+ people.

The dictionary definition of terror is "the use of extreme fear to intimidate people". The definition of a terrorist is using "violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims". Israel comfortably satisfies this criteria get nobody ever called them terrorists. Why?


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Israel has given up so much land and people are still no satisfied. .

Alright so do would to accept Israel if there were no blockade on Gaza and no settlements in the West Bank?

Okay, the issue here is that the the number of resolutions is a meaningless statistic if you don't consider the content - if you are unaware of the general flavour of these resolutions, have a quick look at the link below. It's four years old, but even so it gives you an idea. I would look for a more up-to-date source but I'm currently travelling.

http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2010/01/27/rogue-state-israeli-violations-of-u-n-security-council-resolutions/

I believe that the nature of these resolutions against Israel puts their quantity into perspective.

Anyone would. But when israel was created everyone knew what would happen and that is exactly what has happened. Why do you think Albert Einstein turned down the job as prime minister of Israel? He didn't want the blood of so many civilians on his hand...no sane person would

Anyone would. But when israel was created everyone knew what would happen and that is exactly what has happened. Why do you think Albert Einstein turned down the job as prime minister of Israel? He didn't want the blood of so many civilians on his hand...no sane person would

1 - Israel is a civilised state and not at all like ISIS. If you really think they are the basically the same then you are living in a fantasy world.
2 - I wouldn't take your anecdotal evidence of two protests as evidence against a catalogue of cases. Of course not all protests contain antisemitism but many do.
3 - No one is trying to use antisemitism as justification except in the sense that Hamas are clearly antisemitic.

Simple question - do you agree or disagree that at least some of those who are anti-Israel are motivated by antisemitism?

That's fine then tbh, but remember that the blockade in Gaza is a response to the rocket fire, Israel has no interest in the Gaza strip at all, the blockade, the shelling, the iron dome, is just a waste of Israeli money.

Einstein is a strange example, his political beliefs were extremely left wing (he was some sort of anarchist) and his relationship with his own Jewish identity was odd too, sometimes he seemed to reject it.

Why didn't the Ottoman Empire give the Palestinians their own country? Just curious. ?

Anyways, why can't the Palestinians and the Jewish people live together in peace? Why can't the Jewish people have their one Jewish state? Arabs have many Arab states. I know Islam is hostile towards Jews who don't accept Muhammad's claims, but I do think Islam should give the only holy city of Judaism (Jerusalem) back to Judaism. Islam already has Mecca and Medina. The Arabs already have their Arab states. Why hate the one Jewish state so fiercely? Is Judaism and a Jewish Israel in the midst of Muslim-dominated lands a threat to Islam?

I had perfectly legitimate comment removed. So, i will ask again:

2000 years ago, the Italians owned London when they ruled Britain. Does this mean the Italians now have legitimate claim to London today?

No.

As for the OP, he is either a Jewish supremacist or a Shabbos Goy.

I agree but would like to state that the overwhelming majority criticise Israel for humanitarian reasons.

You'd go further attacking the statements that he has made instead of trying to decry him with potentially libellous statements.

I've noticed somewhat disturbingly that many of the anti-Muslim posters on this site (you, meenglishisnogood, chindits, felamaslen, yo radical one, observatory etc) are just pro-Israeli.

That's fine then tbh, but remember that the blockade in Gaza is a response to the rocket fire, Israel has no interest in the Gaza strip at all, the blockade, the shelling, the iron dome, is just a waste of Israeli money.

Einstein is a strange example, his political beliefs were extremely left wing (he was some sort of anarchist) and his relationship with his own Jewish identity was odd too, sometimes he seemed to reject it.

anti-islamist does not mean by default anti-muslims or pro-israeli. the fact that most muslims it seems dont understand this , is a demonstration of how islamist propaganda is so effective on their tiny minds.

I didn't realise that I was a "Pakistani Muslim".



Except they didn't. They gained it through IMMIGRATION, not militarily.

I would like to state that too but I simply don't think it is true. If it were, the implication is that the people protesting are not motivated by who is doing the killing or who is dying only by the fact that people are dying. If that were true then we would see protests in proportion to the death and we do not. We do not see anywhere near the same scale of protests against other, far far larger, instances of mass deaths.

Can you explain this phenomenon?