The Israel/Palestine Conflict Mk. IV

Anti-Islamist = Anti-Muslims

Muslims practice their faith 24/7. You can't turn it off whenever you feel like.

Italian's? The Italian language didn't even exist during classical antiquity.

I don't understand why people still dispute Jewish Immigrants move to Palestine. What's done is done. The Jews will never leave EVER considering they've built a functioning state.

If we want peace we need to move past this petty stupidity

The problem is Israel really has no right to exist in the first place. We (the British) gave it to them due to political pressure/zionist terrorism (stern gang etc.) when we had absolutely no claim to it in the first place. The "British Mandate" is an oxymoron, we had none.

Property is theft, as Proudhon said.

Aww, must suck having to give up land

If the Italians rolled up and claimed London as their own because Rome once owned London i am sure it would cause problems.

If you believe whats done is done, the why did the Zionists lay claim to a land which hadn't been in Jewish hands for 2000 years? It was because Zionism is a racist ideology which believes that land belongs to Jews simply because God gave it to them.

But its not 'done' is it; because the Zionist entity continues to invade and colonise Palestinian lands. It continues to expand. Yet, you complain when people fight back?

My point is a simple one which consists of XX steps. Please tell me which, if any, of those steps you disagree with.

1) No sane person can think that Israel's crimes are more severe than those of Syria or Iraq both of which have deliberately murdered hundreds of thousands of civilians.
2) The UN has passed far more resolutions about Israel than about either Syria or Iraq
3) This indicates those UN resolutions have less to do with the level of severity of the crimes and more to do with the biases and agenda of the nations that make up the UN.

A few other high profile Jews took the same stance as Einstein. But it was israel who started expanding its settlement. Look at the map from the 60s and compare it to today

Wait, you're arguing that 100,000 people went to a protest in London last Saturday because they hate jews?
Ok. This is how I explain such a phenomenon. People are simply not comfortable by a country which their government supports in THEIR NAME, is slaughtering innocents. For gods sake kids are dying and our country says NOTHING. Massacre is occurring and our foreign office calls it 'self defence' and blames the gazans for their own deaths. We expect better from Israel. We don't want our country supplying massacre. And it is massacre. The atrocities occurring are close to that of Vietnam when the vietcong were hiding in villages and so whole villages would be massacred. And people protested not because they hate their own soldiers but because it was being done in THEIR NAMES. This anti-semetic argument is getting tiresome.

I take issue with 3, because this discussion is about Israel's actions, not the UN. Just because Iraq and Syria have also done deplorable things, doesn't mean that the UN resolutions against Israel don't document deplorable things. You don't seem to think that the UN is lying in these resolutions, so doesn't that mean that Israel is acting reprehensibly?

I understand the point you're making (i.e. the UN is being selective in its condemnation). I just think it's besides the point - that the condemnation is well-founded.

I meant, given the fact that the Romans kicked them out in the first place, it is only fair that the Romans give them back their land or monetary compensation if they cannot do this, right?

So then it really does matter who is doing the killing and its not for humanitarian reasons at all. It's not that the protestors care about people dying. They only care because Israel is killing them.

And not only that, they only care that Israel is doing this because "we expect better". So in other words, you protest against Israel so strongly because it isn't that bad. If they just went on a complete rampage and murdered everyone in Gaza then they'd be really really bad - like Syria bad - and then you wouldn't bother protesting.

I think that that's complete bull****. And you know it.

I think instead of just maintaining ceasefires, the Israelis should continue to use the Iron Dome to defend themselves and not actually retaliate. Surely they'd be looked on far more favourably/with more understanding if they defended by destroying Hamas missiles, instead of launching their own attacks which kill civilians?

In a war, you attack military bases and soldiers.

Then we are talking entirely and completely at cross purposes. I only ever claimed that the number of resolutions against Israel says more about the UN than Israel. You now seem to agree (or at least understand) that point. I was never commenting on whether those resolutions are justified or not. I was only commenting on their number.

The reason for only focusing on their number is because people frequently cite that number as proof that Israel is worse than other countries. I think we both agree that that argument is wrong and that the number of resolutions does not relate to the severity of the wrong-doings.