Is it anti semetic to think that jews have too much power?

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Ethnic nepotism doesn't win people Nobel prizes. The beauty of science is that the reputation of the scientist is determined almost completely by the aptitude of that scientist to practice science. No bull ****. No politics. Just intelligence and work rate determine one's standing in the scientific arena.

It is very telling that people who view Jews negatively like to mention their "disproportionate" influence in politics, finance, banking, etc. but almost always fail to mention their vast achievements in science and mathematics. This is because they want to imply rather bitterly that their pre-eminence is the sole product of petty tribalism or nepotism, and of course their achievements in science and mathematics (where the benefit of nepotsim would be much less) argue against this notion.

Except, who is handing out the Nobel prizes?

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Reply 21

Three Mile Sprint

Original post by Ashnard

Actually Nepotism accounts for it perfectly especially considering how many Nobel judging panel's have consisted disproportionately of...you guessed it....Jews.

Many western Jews have been historically very wealthy(as the result of heavy involvement in the Financial sectors) and as such have been disproportionately able to send their children to Universities where they could peruse education in fields such as Mathmatics, Science etc and as such over-represent them in Scientific and Mathmatic fields full stop, which of course would increase the likelihood of a Nobel Prize winner being Jewish.

It's interesting to note however that as the Education Gap fell and more and more people from poorer backgrounds found University education affordable(i.e after the 50's-70's) the number of proportional Jewish Nobel winners has fallen in all fields.

Reply 22

Ashnard

Original post by imtelling

Except, who is handing out the Nobel prizes?

Other scientists. Other scientists who couldn't give a rat's arse what somebody looks like or where they're from as long as they produce good science. It's meritocracy, pure and simple, and as it should be.

Reply 23

Fullofsurprises

The conspiracy theorists can't put forward a convincing case that all Jews somehow mystically work together to promote each other, which is part of the anti-semitic argument - the other half is that they work against Gentiles.

The reality is that Jews in the US and parts of the rest of the world (the articles cited higher up in the thread are mainly about the US) tend to be a very well educated and aspirational group in society. They have also been in the US for many generations and any long-term immigrant group in the US tends to accumulate wealth, influence and power over time. The truth is that white Anglos are overwhelmingly politically and economically dominant in the US. Some Jews have managed to buck that trend (along with some people from other racial groups - although it isn't even quite clear that 'Jewish' is a race as such) and taken some top jobs and built some capitalist businesses. Historically, they were only permitted in Europe to work in certain trades, including money lending, so they continued with those trades when they arrived in the States. Being bankers attracts hate, but the Jews get targeted by that hate far, far more than the many white Anglo bankers.

Reply 24

Fullofsurprises

Original post by imtelling

Except, who is handing out the Nobel prizes?

And your point is...? Are you trying to suggest that the Swedish Nobel awarding committee is Jewish? :rofl:

Reply 25

ZÃ¼rich

Original post by Three Mile Sprint

They have a historical tendency to favour each other in all regards and to aggressively push for the advancement of other Jews over that of gentiles, historically they were the prime money lenders and founders of most major financial institutions with such money came the ability to influence all other spheres of public life.

It probably stems from the fact that they have been so heavily persecuted and have been dispersed for so long and as such the communities and bonds of faith/ethnicity are so strong.

I think this is spot on. Jews tend to network ferociously, and if not explicitly looking out for each other certainly understand the implicit relationships. If you look at most successful Jewish businessmen, it is almost unheard of for them not to surround themselves with other Jews. Goyim arent necessarily to be trusted.

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Reply 26

imtelling

Original post by Ashnard

You mean the Nobel committee is just as unbiased as the Oscar's committee??

Reply 27

yo radical one

Yes it is. Not every Jew has the same opinions so grouping Jews together in this way makes little sense, it also tends to assume that Jews only ever act in Jewish interests which is so incredibly false.

Original post by kumon

Karma for being killed back in the holocaust?

You're Black right?

:tongue:

Reply 28

yo radical one

Original post by imtelling

Except, who is handing out the Nobel prizes?

The Swedes :erm:

Reply 29

Maker

When people talk enviously of others having too much power, it really means they themselves have too little and want more.

Reply 30

Fullofsurprises

Original post by Zürich

If you were part of a community, religious group or race that had been the subject of a fairly recent deliberate attempt to exterminate your entire people and were still the subject of hate, conspiratorial bull**** and random attacks, would you be openly trusting of the other people?

Are you aware that in the UK and in much of the western world, most Jews are now assimilated and do not declare their Jewish identity, nor do they go to synagogues or belong to Jewish organisations. Given this, how do you suppose they operate the global conspiracy of Jews?

Reply 31

Truths

Well they dominate media, money and politics so you be the judge ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Reply 32

slade p

if someone thinks that then the political establishment and influential people and organisations will say it's anti Semitic.

jews definitely do have too much power but it's because they are very successful and intelligent so they then get economic and political power which they do deliberately seek to be influential. this is common in world Jewry.

Reply 33

yo radical one

Original post by Fullofsurprises

Lol

According to Stormfront that is a part of the conspiracy. These people truly are morons, they have decided the Jews are up to no good to begin with and try to fit the world around their worldview.

Reply 34

Truths

Original post by Fullofsurprises

Are you aware that in the UK and in much of the western world, most Jews are now assimilated and do not declare their Jewish identity, nor do they go to synagogues or belong to Jewish organisations. Given this, how do you suppose they operate the global conspiracy of Jews?

Clearly you have never heard of Golders Green.

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Reply 35

Fullofsurprises

Original post by Truths

Well they dominate media, money and politics so you be the judge ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Er, no, they don't.

World's biggest media corporations? News Corp - owner, Rupert Murdoch. Definitely not a Jew. Time Warner, Viacom, etc? All stock-quoted corporations with no specific family ownership.

Money? What do you mean exactly? The richest people on earth are in the Gulf states. Are they Jewish?

Politics? What an absurd point. I take it you mean Israel is defended by the US. There are strategic reasons for that, even if there was no Jewish lobby in the US, but Israel is also accepted by most of the Arab world governments, even if not by the Arab street.

Reply 36

ZÃ¼rich

Original post by yo radical one

Yes but you;re talking about some kind of explicit conspiracy to advance Jewish interests, which is the stuff of fantasy. But there are cultural biases among Jews that may basically mean that they naturally find themselves 'pulling in the same direction' to shape the world in a way which they approve of.

There are numerous examples. Jews heavily vote Left wing in elections, which is astounding when you consider their income. Many put this down to some kind of unique Jewish altruism(Chosen People stuff) but perhaps Jews are put off by the right's nationalism? Jews do seem to be ultra-internationalist in outlook generally and that is probably a cultural legacy of their 'outsider' status in Europe over the centuries.

Do Jews feel comfortable with the idea of Christianity and conservatism being the dominant moral forces? Probably not, and for obvious reasons. Historically these are forces to be feared and resented.

You could expand on any number of issues. But the general conclusion must be that if someone were to point out that Jews were heavily involved in the Communist movement in the early 20th century, heavily involved in the counter-culture movements of the 1960s etc etc they are not necessarily Neo-Nazi nutcases but rational people trying to understand a very clear trend.

So as I say, there need not be any conspiracy for a group to work in tandem, each working on their individual ambitions.

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Reply 37

Cornelius

Original post by imtelling

Or, this ethnic supremacism which is a integral part of their exclusivist religion is responsible for historical grievances against them?

I'd venture to say that a huge number of those Jews are secular - given the large % of Jews in the US who are atheist/agnostic. Especially at the higher levels.

Reply 38

Fullofsurprises

Original post by Truths

Clearly you have never heard of Golders Green.

So you pick on one place in the UK where a small community of Orthodox Jews is visible and you claim on the basis of that - what exactly? That Jews exist in Britain?

On your logic, it is clearly demonstrably true that Sikhs control the world. My evidence is Southall. I will hear no contrary points, the conspiracy is certain.

Reply 39

Ashnard

Original post by Three Mile Sprint

Actually Nepotism accounts for it perfectly especially considering how many Nobel judging panel's have consisted disproportionately of...you guessed it....Jews.

You honestly think that scientists think like you do? You honestly think that geniuses who are busy uncovering the deepest and darkest secrets of the universe care about such petty things as religion/ethnicity? You have absolutely no idea.

Regardless. The argument is circular. The Jews are on the panel for a reason, and that is because of their achievement as scientists. You cannot con or lie or bribe your way into being a good scientist. It is not possible. The eminent scientists are those who are hard working and intelligent. It could not be any other way as they would get found out instantly. It's true meritocracy.

Many western Jews have been historically very wealthy(as the result of heavy involvement in the Financial sectors) and as such have been disproportionately able to send their children to Universities where they could peruse education in fields such as Mathmatics, Science etc and as such over-represent them in Scientific and Mathmatic fields full stop, which of course would increase the likelihood of a Nobel Prize winner being Jewish.

I think that would go some way to explaining their "over-representation" in academia. However, even factoring this in I don't think that it would account for the number of Nobel prizes won, which represent the absolute creme de la creme of their disciplines i.e. the geniuses who go further than anybody else.

It wouldn't account either for their pre-eminence in particular fields like quantum theory in the 1900s-1950s, as chess grandmasters, or for precocious talent of someobody like John von Neumann

It's interesting to note however that as the Education Gap fell and more and more people from poorer backgrounds found University education affordable(i.e after the 50's-70's) the number of proportional Jewish Nobel winners has fallen in all fields.