'Straight white guy festival' causes controversy

The point of Pride though, is that homosexuals, bisexuals, transgender etc were made to feel ashamed for who they are. Pride is a festival that says you should be proud of who you are.
Straight cis men have never been made to feel ashamed for who they are.


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Straight cis men have never been made to feel ashamed for who they are.


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I wouldn't agree with that in recent years.

Well you are male and so I presume you are being subjective.

White histoey day everyday? I don't see no celebrations, and so what if there was? How does that concern you?

So you agree that cultural festivals and pride festivals are different things - good.

It's more complex than "White people can't be proud". I'm not the greatest with words but I'll try and explain as best I can, and this will be the last time because If i can't help anyone (not just you) see this side of the argument then I'm just going to give up - nothing personal against you as a person though, we'll be meeting at some point anyway so I want to be able to get on with you still.

Everyone does have a right to be proud of their identity free from discrimination yes. The argument here is that a SWM festival is not needed to express this pride for being white. A white person in this society may express their pride everyday, freely, from discrimination - don't you see, this is part of being the norm, so there is no reason for a special festival to be arranged in order to be proud. Festivals for minorities exist because these people aren't part of the norm, so their festivals are a way to bring their issues into the light and stand against discrimination.

That is the whole point of the argument

Yes white history, is everyday. You are so entitled that you are unaware of your own privileges. The history of Great Britain is compulsory in the UK's education curriculum from KS1. Not African History, Not Asian History. Maybe you haven't noticed, there is a plethora of BBC Dramas based around British/European Historical Eras. I am yet to see one based on, say Ancient Egypt.

Can you even hear yourself? You also said ashamed - British people are taught to be ashamed of the Empire, Slavery,
They'ee constantly blamed and reminded, so why are you arguing aginst their march?

Ye I see your arguement I just don't agree with it at all.

At the end of the day those festivals are still happening. What harm does it do to anyone to have another one for a different set of people?


But in the context of the OP. You should realise this is in america. They even have female only holidays in america now. And there are a lot of issues there that don't exist in the UK. The feminist movement is huge and they have laws that blatantly discriminate against men. They have scholarships for their colleges that are available to women and not men now. There are also a lot of scholarships for different minority groups but not whites. So white males get the least amount of help for education and it's starting to show in the fact there are more women in universities than men now in that country. It's not really an issue in UK.

And they have so many campaigns that discriminate against men. like 'don't be that guy', 'when did he stop treating you like a princess?', etc.

The political movements going on in that country are ridiculous

I think those posters are fully justified.

Yes white history, is everyday. You are so entitled that you are unaware of your own privileges. The history of Great Britain is compulsory in the UK's education curriculum from KS1. Not African History, Not Asian History. Maybe you haven't noticed, there is a plethora of BBC Dramas based around British/European Historical Eras. I am yet to see one based on, say Ancient Egypt.

If you feel like you are being made to feel ashamed because of your race/cultural identity then I can't convince you otherwise, but you have to recognise that legally LGBT/ethnic minorities have been prosecuted against on such a scale that the 'British' you speak of never have and probably never will.

What festivals are still happening? I see no real SWM festivals? I don't think you do understand my argument? I'm pretty confused

I don't know what this has to do with feminism. I don't wish to go into feminism because i'm not sure of my own stance on feminism yet. I'm pretty neutral about that - take this up with a feminist if you wanna talk about that, i'm not one

I'm sure it was cleared up earlier that the reason for this is because we live in Britain not Africa?

Also, i'm pretty sure that children throughout the UK learn about other countries historys because i sure did. Also i've seen many documentarys from the BBC about areas other than the UK, there are just more about the UK, cause again, we live in the UK.

Ye I see your arguement I just don't agree with it at all.

At the end of the day those festivals are still happening. What harm does it do to anyone to have another one for a different set of people?


But in the context of the OP. You should realise this is in america. They even have female only holidays in america now. And there are a lot of issues there that don't exist in the UK. The feminist movement is huge and they have laws that blatantly discriminate against men. They have scholarships for their colleges that are available to women and not men now. There are also a lot of scholarships for different minority groups but not whites. So white males get the least amount of help for education and it's starting to show in the fact there are more women in universities than men now in that country. It's not really an issue in UK.

And they have so many campaigns that discriminate against men. like 'don't be that guy', 'when did he stop treating you like a princess?', etc.

The political movements going on in that country are ridiculous

I think those posters are fully justified.

Yes white history, is everyday. You are so entitled that you are unaware of your own privileges. The history of Great Britain is compulsory in the UK's education curriculum from KS1. Not African History, Not Asian History. Maybe you haven't noticed, there is a plethora of BBC Dramas based around British/European Historical Eras. I am yet to see one based on, say Ancient Egypt.

Why is it not okay for people, privileged or otherwise, to celebrate who they are?

I am American and you need to stop generalising based on something you Googled or heard or saw on your news cast. As you said we have far more issues here and there is no feminist "movement" anywhere. There are simply concessions to women's rights, as that is exercised in our Constitution. There are no movements, there are political gestures that succeed. And women are quite discriminated against they make less than men on the same job, or that they don't have fair maternity leave, for example; there is also a glass ceiling here that warms seats for wealthy older straight men; everyone else has a steep climb. So of course to exercise our civil rights there are going to be grants that women need should they qualify. There's nothing here that says "no men can get this." It's about qualifications and civil rights.

I don't see the problem with this. If it didn't exist those it's now for wouldn't know any different. I don't really see the point of gender/sexuality festivals but whatever, if people want this then why deny them? Just don't go, it's not like this is aspects of everyday life people are being banned from.