Isis orders all women and girls in Mosul to undergo FGM, says UN

It seems the same 'people' in here defending ISIS, are also in the Israel/Pal thread defending Hamas.

No surprise, they're both cut from the same cloth.

You have to be a REAL nutcase to invite Al Qaeda into your town just because you dont like the Politician ruling your country.

This makes no sense, what's it even in relation to?

ISIS...its pretty widely known many sunni tribes tried to use Al Qaeda as a bargaining chip with the Federal Govt

It seems the same 'people' in here defending ISIS, are also in the Israel/Pal thread defending Hamas.

No surprise, they're both cut from the same cloth.

Not a single person in this thread has defended ISIS.

In fact on TSR there is only one Muslim full stop who defends them, and he is viewed very badly by the rest of the I-SOC.

I can see one person in particular seems to be querying if ISIS are as bad as reported.

So do you have the "fatwa" or not?

May I also kindly guide you towards this website: http://www.forwarduk.org.uk/key-issues/fgm/fgm-islam
It explains and details how and why what you've said simply isn't true. It also explains how the existing Hadith supporting FGM have been proven to be inauthentic.

A paper written by the Islamic Cultural Centre and the London Mosque is not objective and unbiased. In the words of Mandy Rice-Davies "They would say that, wouldn't they".

Verifiable facts are a better way of getting to the heart of the issue. Here are a few.
FGM did not exist in Indonesia and Malaysia before the arrival of Islam.
About 90% of Indonesian girls are cut.
Over 80% of Malaysian women claim religious obligation as the primary reason for practicing FGM.
The 86th conference of Malaysia’s Fatwa Committee National Council of Islamic Religious Affairs held in April 2009 announced that female circumcision is part of Islamic teachings and it should be observed by Muslims.

Please explain how the above shows that FGM has nothing to do with Islam.

I think people having the argument about whether FGM is "a part" of Islam are getting wires crossed. From what I gather (I don't follow a religion, I'm actually pretty anti-religion...but anyway) FGM is not mentioned in Islam, it's not a requirement for muslim women nor is it encouraged. There are however some Islamic groups who impose it, given it's such a gruesome and brutal act, people remember and it's the things they remember that they associate. Same way ignorant people just label all muslims terrorists, mud sticks and it's extreme fundamentalist minorities who stir it up.

A lot of countries where FGM is highly prevalent do seem to be largely muslim countries, this could be coincidence as many also appear to be in underdeveloped countries in Africa. In such countries, many practices are common which are not affiliated with any particular mainstream religion, there are regions for example where people are still executed for witchcraft at the word of village chiefs. I saw an article last year I think about a goat being slaughtered because a village witchdoctor believed a man guilty of murder had turned himself into a goat to escape punishment. I imagine that most goat deaths attributed to witchcraft and wizzardry are also in countries where Islam is popular but you sure as **** can't pin that on Islam.

Correlation is not causation.


I find this whole did they, didnt they? thing about ISIS completely pointless. They are a brutal, menacing organisation who are pretty open about their activities and goals. Activities and goals that every nation on earth can almost unanimously agree fall under "Terrorism".

If Al qaeda want nothing to do with you because of your actions, you're bad, bad people.

I'm just wondering where the actual "fatwa" is because there is no link to any kind of "fatwa" in any one of the news link.

Could you provide evidence of this "fatwa" please?

Maybe it's like God.
Just because no one has seen it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.Or do you need physical proof for everything?

I have given you the news report

Why don't you give ISIS a call and ask them if it's wrong

Ah right, it's just the same user it pulling the same nonsense with regards to defending Hamas.

Must be a coincidence.

My mistake mate.

What are your sources for the information you have given?

How can anyone prove that FGM didn't exist in civilisations before the arrival of Islam?

Those women who claim religious obligation was their main reason were told by their mothers, grandmothers etc that it was religious obligation- no little girl would want this unless she was made to feel guilty/as though she was sinning if she didn't.

The people who tell these girls they need to do this in the name of Islam use it as an excuse.

It is cultural and perhaps families feel shame/embarrassment if they don't do it for fear of social rejection and so using the term 'religious obligation' is the only way they can force girls to do it and feel better about forcing them to do so.

I don't know where you got the evidence for the last point you made but the London Central Mosque looked at all evidence available, all the Hadiths etc that support the use of FGM and then said that Islam and FGM have no link.

And on the point of them being subjective and biased, what makes you think that? Why would you think 'they would say that, wouldn't they?'. What benefit would they gain from twisting and manipulating facts. They aim to inform and dispel myths- such as those that you believe in.

These 'facts' you have presented me with cannot be proven to be as evidential to your argument as you may think.

The fact that 90% of girls are cut doesn't say anything about religion but it says a lot about culture.

As I said before, the 80% of women claiming religious obligation led the way would say that because that's what they've been made to believe.

Most girls are cut when they have yet to reach puberty; these girls are not fluent in Islamic teachings and so the only way they could think it was 'religious obligation' would be if someone they knew told them it was.

Okay. Looks like you don't have anything.