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Original post by SloaneRanger
So what was wrong with shelf stacking? Like Im not a physical person, but working a warehouse doing logistics, you learn a heck of lot about organisation. So working as a student has its perks


Nothing.
Original post by fat_hobbit
Nothing.


If i got sacked tomorrow i don't have a problem taking any job, graduate or not graduate type job.
Original post by fat_hobbit
Not to mention you will have to learn quickly tonnes of different languages over the course of your degree, I can see you struggle with the discrete math modules.


I do CS, but this is a little stupid. Languages aren't hard to learn, once you know one or two.

Discrete maths, rely? Of all the modules you think someone would struggle with this one? :rolleyes:

Original post by SloaneRanger
Pharmacy is way harder then Computer Science. Your dealing with real people and real lives,lol, I can go to prison eventually for something. Computer Science what nothing.


Depends really, doesn't it? I can see a lot of people from CS struggling with pharmacy, and a lot of people from pharmacy struggling with CS.

Anybody can eventually go to prison for something, lol.

Original post by threeportdrift
Very few careers offer relevant summer internships! Only TSR is that IB/Consulting/Grad scheme obsessed!!

You do way more career/CV enhancing work by being a committed member of a university society for 3 years than you do with a couple of 4-6 week stints making tea, photocopying and drooling/dripping over investment bankers.


The person you addressed does CS. Nearly all CS internships are relevant.. You'll be coding from day 1, most likely working on real, deployable projects.
Original post by Jooooshy
I do CS, but this is a little stupid. Languages aren't hard to learn, once you know one or two.

Discrete maths, rely? Of all the modules you think someone would struggle with this one? :rolleyes:



Depends really, doesn't it? I can see a lot of people from CS struggling with pharmacy, and a lot of people from pharmacy struggling with CS.

Anybody can eventually go to prison for something, lol.



The person you addressed does CS. Nearly all CS internships are relevant.. You'll be coding from day 1, most likely working on real, deployable projects.


Not for wrongfully prescibing something i.e. Negligence... What being negligent in CS, the thing crashes or doesn't work. CS isn't as heavily regulated as the NHS,lmao, its most regulated industry in the world aside from the FCA.
Original post by Jooooshy
I do CS, but this is a little stupid. Languages aren't hard to learn, once you know one or two.

Discrete maths, rely? Of all the modules you think someone would struggle with this one? :rolleyes:


Yes, because he doesn't come from a math background.

And no not all languages are the same.

Take PHP and javascript.

One is more procedural the other is very event driven. The syntax might be the same, but writing meaningful code in practice can be very different.

Callback functions for example is much more widely used in JS due to event handlers/it's async nature.
Original post by SloaneRanger
Not for wrongfully prescibing something i.e. Negligence... What being negligent in CS, the thing crashes or doesn't work. CS isn't as heavily regulated as the NHS,lmao, its most regulated industry in the world aside from the FCA.


Idiot.

You clearly have no idea what actually goes into writing good software.

Anyone can open notepad ++ and write a simple program which outputs "hello world".

But writing software that not only works, that has little bugs is a different kettle of fish. The algorithms can also be quite complicated.
Original post by fat_hobbit
Idiot.

You clearly have no idea what actually goes into writing good software.

Anyone can open notepad ++ and write a simple program which outputs "hello world".

But writing software that not only works, that has little bugs is a different kettle of fish. The algorithms can also be quite complicated.


Life affecting factors are what govenments have policies over to ensure the best standard of living. They don't regulate software, they regulate things like healthcare, financial services, things that are dependent and affect society. Before computers, was medication it has always been regulated.
Original post by SloaneRanger
Life affecting factors are what govenments have policies over to ensure the best standard of living. They don't regulate software, they regulate things like healthcare, financial services, things that are dependent and affect society. Before computers, was medication it has always been regulated.


If you are a professional software engineer you have to follow software engineering principles.

Medicine/planes/power plants etc for example are dependent on technology.

If a piece of tech has faulty buggy programming in say, let's use a life support machine for example, it could result in death.

Bio-informatics is a massively emerging field in technology atm.

In other words, you really need to know what you are doing. It is not something that any tom, dick or harry can do. Certainly harder than your job at BA.
Original post by fat_hobbit
If you are a professional software engineer you have to follow software engineering principles.

Medicine/planes/power plants etc for example are dependent on technology.

If a piece of tech has faulty buggy programming in say, let's use a life support machine for example, it could result in death.

Bio-informatics is a massively emerging field in technology atm.

In other words, you really need to know what you are doing. It is not something that any tom, dick or harry can do.


True but regulated businesses are the ones that you have to be incredibly due diligent over and you have regulatory qualfications you need to pass and renew constantly pharmacists need to do so, doctors, dentists..... Do people with computer science degrees, need a registration to practice? No just a laptop and pornhub, theres no industry qualfication. Btw sales people are accredited... Charterred,LMAO. Where have you been for 30 years, read the internet. Even if i was under a rock, i would know this.

http://www.ismm.co.uk
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Original post by SloaneRanger
Not for wrongfully prescibing something i.e. Negligence... What being negligent in CS, the thing crashes or doesn't work. CS isn't as heavily regulated as the NHS,lmao, its most regulated industry in the world aside from the FCA.


Do pharmacists prescribe things? I've never been prescribed anything by anyone other than my doctor. Or do you mean if you pick the wrong drug off the shelf?

People from a CS background don't necessarily go to prison for negligence, but they can for unethical hacking..
Original post by Jooooshy
Do pharmacists prescribe things? I've never been prescribed anything by anyone other than my doctor. Or do you mean if you pick the wrong drug off the shelf?

People from a CS background don't necessarily go to prison for negligence, but they can for unethical hacking..


This was in the paper....

http://www.nhs.uk/chq/Pages/1629.aspx?CategoryID=68&

Even in the daily star. You can play god with someones life, even a nurse can prescribe certain drugs.
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Original post by fat_hobbit
Yes, because he doesn't come from a math background.

And no not all languages are the same.

Take PHP and javascript.

One is more procedural the other is very event driven. The syntax might be the same, but writing meaningful code in practice can be very different.

Callback functions for example is much more widely used in JS due to event handlers/it's async nature.


Mastering languages isn't necessarily the same as learning them. And what I initially meant was that languages of a similar paradigm aren't so dissimilar. E.g. Java/C++, Haskell/F#.

I studied DM before I had my interviews, without much of a maths background. Linear algebra is easily harder. :smile:
Original post by SloaneRanger
This was in the paper....

http://www.nhs.uk/chq/Pages/1629.aspx?CategoryID=68&

Even in the daily star. You can play god with someones life, even a nurse can prescribe certain drugs.


Why is it something to brag about that you go to prison if you do your job wrong?
Original post by Jooooshy
Mastering languages isn't necessarily the same as learning them. And what I initially meant was that languages of a similar paradigm aren't so dissimilar. E.g. Java/C++, Haskell/F#.

I studied DM before I had my interviews, without much of a maths background. Linear algebra is easily harder. :smile:


TBH if the CS degree is challenging enough, your assignments will be harder than writing hello world in any language. In other words, you have to grasp them quickly at a fairly good level. If the assignment is JS based, you will be expected to use callback functions at the very minimum, how else are you going to interact with the DOM? On top of that that you have to write good modulized code which is unit testable, this is a skill - as you will need to understand software patterns - MVC for example.

Either way, without derailing this thread further, Sloane thinks its easy - but I doubt he would be able to hack it.
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Original post by Jooooshy
Why is it something to brag about that you go to prison if you do your job wrong?


I was trying to get into his head, you have to be very careful. In computer science you can make as many mistakes as you want, trial and error, nothing happens to you and mistakes happen all the time. No one is going to threaten your registration or anything. Dealing with peoples lives are more serious, consider there is no going back.
Original post by fat_hobbit
TBH if the CS degree is challenging enough, your assignments will be harder than writing hello world in any language. In other words, you have to grasp them quickly at a fairly good level. If the assignment is JS based, you will be expected to use callback functions at the very minimum, how else are you going to interact with the DOM? On top of that that you have to write good modulized code which is unit testable, this is a skill - as you will need to understand software patterns - MVC for example.

Either way, without derailing this thread further, Sloane thinks its easy - but I doubt he would be able to hack it.


Far from it, i think its hard in certain places and easier in others. Its a great degree to have if you love the field.
Original post by SloaneRanger
Far from it, i think its hard in certain places and easier in others. Its a great degree to have if you love the field.


Mate, get a CS degree first, then talk to me about it.

It's the equivalent of me telling a lawyer about their degree, when I know **** all.

Everything I have written (about the practical side of things) is software engineering principles which is used right across industry. So stick your elitism up your ass.
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Original post by fat_hobbit
Mate, get a CS degree first, then talk to me about it.

It's the equivalent of me telling a lawyer about their degree, when I know **** all.


If took that up i will have 3 degrees. Law isn't hard ive won 2 court cases, so simple to fill in moneyclaims.gov and to court and just argue around legal points from a textbook. Tell your little brother he should sue you for wrongful advice,lol.
Original post by fat_hobbit
TBH if the CS degree is challenging enough, your assignments will be harder than writing hello world in any language. In other words, you have to grasp them quickly at a fairly good level. If the assignment is JS based, you will be expected to use callback functions at the very minimum, how else are you going to interact with the DOM? On top of that that you have to write good modulized code which is unit testable, this is a skill - as you will need to understand software patterns - MVC for example.

Either way, without derailing this thread further, Sloane thinks its easy - but I doubt he would be able to hack it.


I didn't even know universities taught web development.

Yeah, a skill which has nothing to do with knowing one particular language.
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Original post by SloaneRanger
If took that up i will have 3 degrees. Law isn't hard ive won 2 court cases, so simple to fill in moneyclaims.gov and to court and just argue around legal points from a textbook. Tell your little brother he should sue you for wrongful advice,lol.


What I find questionable is how some universities let people onto a pharmacy degree with dog biscuits for grades, knowing full well that they're going to have peoples' lives in their hands after they graduate!

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