I'm a 2:2 graduate I can't even get minimum wage jobs

And when did I say that you shouldn't work hard to obtain the best grades possible.

All I was doing, was marely pointing out that the current selection process is ****.

For example, I am not the smartest guy academically in the world, I did not go to Oxford. But I have real business acumen which can benefit a corporate company if I had worked for one. I can think outside the box. But they wouldn't know that, because my app will be filtered out at the app stage for those corporates that have a Primary school/GCSE/UCAS point cut off

So your earlier comments about hiring the best is subjective. At the end of the day, it's not about grades, it's about making money - in this case helping a corporate make money.

We think we have, but we don't, i have no sense of organisation, i consider my self midtable. The people Tom Ford was talking about are the big guns £100k plus a year grads who will make partner or director by 25-26, ceo at a young age. I seem to tell you a heck of lot of things you don't know, i don't know that much in contrast to other people my age in those schemes.

And when did I say that you shouldn't work hard to obtain the best grades possible.

All I was doing, was marely pointing out that the current selection process is ****.

For example, I am not the smartest guy academically in the world, I did not go to Oxford. But I have real business acumen which can benefit a corporate company if I had worked for one. I can think outside the box. But they wouldn't know that, because my app will be filtered out at the app stage for those corporates that have a Primary school/GCSE/UCAS point cut off

So your earlier comments about hiring the best is subjective. At the end of the day, it's not about grades, it's about making money - in this case helping a corporate make money.

It wasn't that long ago, the financial sector was letting in people like Nick Leeson (who has a degree from Middlesex uni). He worked for barrings bank.

Ok fair enough, he turned out to be a bad egg, but I am sure there were many others that were not Oxbridge educated that got by fine.

This ucas points **** is a recent phenomena.

I can't talk for other fields.

But if IBM, a blue chip can still do well (recently have a business partnership with Apple) and not ask for UCAS points. That says it all.

The fact is you are academically overqualified for most grad jobs.

If you want something very academically intensive, I have news for you - become an academic.

HR have no excuse to be lazy with their recruitment, unless they want a certain type of person working for them. Generally those who have had the best starts in life.

These are huge companies , I think they know how best to pick their people to make the most money don't you think?

You keep missing the fact that they have the luxury of choice over many many many applicants. Even for a firm like Unilever, they have 160 applications for one place. They need to cut down the candidate list and UCAS points are an effective way to do this. Also you seem to forget, other people have real business acumen too, and great grades. There are many many people who have what you have in terms of experience and also great consistent grades to back it up.

So, as I said before, the grades are the bare minimum.

And since you mentioned IBM. You applied to IBM yes? They rejected you and so did Logica so obviously my point stands, people have what you have AND great grades.

I got a first and I can't get volunteer jobs! It's a useless degree, but still, this is tragic.

I always said this was the problem.



Got to the final round.

Like you got rejected.

But I passed their aptitude tests, so it was not like I was not intelligent enough for the roles. I just wasn't what they were looking for at that point in time. And I am thankful for both companies for giving me the chance to apply.

This is how I know you have never worked in a graduate scheme before. You do know that large parts of graduate schemes require academic study right?

Sloane is working in BA, he described his job role earlier.

Excel, SPSS.

IF you think that justifies extreme level of intelligence, you are very deluded.

Aptitude tests like grades are just one part of the requirement. You need everything. Because if you don't someone else has.

Sloane is working in BA, he described his job role earlier.

Excel, SPSS.

IF you think that justifies extreme level of intelligence, you are very deluded.

Make up your mind, are you talking about intelligence or other variables.

The IBM aptitiude test is hard. A LOT of people fail it. IBM have deliberately done it that way to make sure they can weed people out..

If you are thick, you won't even pass them.

I have to talk to directors and ceo in a consultative role, i screw with people heads with psychological methods. That i have learnt through studying and im constantly learning new methods, you wouldn't even learn the straight line persuasion. Ive had to spent hundreds of hours learning different psychological techniques, you couldn't even master one. Ive seen you fail to hold conversations with simpletons that ive walked over at will. Imagine trying to talking to for example charles hoares, owner of hoares bank (private bank). People like that would crush you. Those programs are what i send things to people, for me to send something i have to instigate it lol. If i dont what purpose do those useless programs do for me its like a plain sheet of paper.

Make up your mind, are you talking about intelligence or other variables.

The IBM aptitude test is hard. A LOT of people fail it. IBM have deliberately done it that way to make sure they can weed people out. Their selection process if rigorous.

If you are thick, you won't even pass them.

I don't work in sales.

I am a techie.

In the same way I can argue with you and say you know **** all about object oriented programming. Unfair comparison.

And what you do is no different to what a lot of other sales people do who need to pitch to clients.

Most places what a character that will fit in and won't mess with their culture. Each business has its own ideals, i don't fit into many. You might fit into one i don't but for you to find out you need a competitive set of grades to see. Those psychometric tests show what kind of character you have, remember choosing words to describe yourself. Those are proven methods.

Btw high end sales people get people to do things they don't want to do without psychologically knowing it. There is so much gamesmanship its like a battlefield, heck of lot of strategy.

You can't build rapport if you don't read or get along with people. Mirroring someone only goes so far and this hi how are you bs is only going to get you so far. So learning the psychology behind how people think in training is crucial, its always changing. That is why you need to be academic and yes i still get homework,lol.