The Israel/Palestine Conflict Mk. IV

Typical Zionist nonsense.

"Hey 3 Israeli teenagers got kidnapped, without any proof lets blame Hamas. First we'll kidnap (or "arrest") 400 Palestinians whilst killing 10 of them, then we'll start bombing them, and if they retaliate, we'll kill another 1000. WOOP WOOP GO ISRAEL!!"

Yes because innocent children and women are so threatening that they must be murdered immediately.

Judging by the amount of deaths they've caused I think we are. Has there been any peace in Israel's entire history? I think settling on Palestinian land was a pretty significant event that lead to the bloodshed.

Hamas should recognise Israel's right to exist, as a Jewish state and under new borders. Only then can their be peace. Israel does everything it can to minimise civilian casualties.

It was Hamas who bombed the UN school in Gaza.

Animals.

It can only end in bloodshed - Hamas won't sit down to negotiate, and while their neighbours are calling for their eradication and lobbing bombs in their back garden, Israel is going to keep up the military action. Unless there's a massive shift in attitudes, it'll only end once one of the two groups has been completely destroyed.

Your comment is so preposterous its nearly amusing. Of course Israel has right to exist. I mean its not like land was brutally seized through means of violence and terror.

A double bout of nonsense. The amount of deaths caused is in no way shape or form a way to measure the level of aggressor. The UK caused more Argentinian deaths in the Falklands war than Argentina did UK deaths. The same with the Allies and the Axis Powers in WW2. It simply shows who has the better military capabilities and nothing else.

They did no such thing. Israelites have been on that land since biblical times, long before Islam existed. They were forced out by the Roman Empire and gradually returned to their land. Both sides have historical claims to that land, the idea that it was originally 'Palestinian land' is a nonsense.

But that won't ever happen.

Israel is currently a Western funded and recognised nation, there is no reason why it would disappear suddenly unless the USA and its lap dogs (UK, France etc) disappear first, and that won't happen anytime soon.

As for Hamas, sure, they might disappear. But what happens when the 10 year old boy who didn't know who's wound he should put pressure on as his entire family bleed to death in their bombed out home? What about him and the thousands others with similar stories? Or all the innocent people who get picked up when Israel accuse them of being terrorists?

Israel may think they are protecting their people, but in fact they are making it much much worse. A population of young radicals is much more dangerous than an unpopular group of militia men. Things like only deepen Palestinian dissent towards Israel, which means it is only a matter of time before it all flares up again even if a long term ceasefire is made.

They do though. They make phone calls, distribute leaflets, don't strike at some targets if civilians are found to be in there. Hamas use people as human shields. Israel had the right to self-defence in both the 48-49 Arab-Israeli war and the 1967 Six Day War.

Please don't tell me you're comparing Palestine's right to the land with Israel's? Seriously I'm dumbfounded by how ignorant you are to the fact that the land is just not a piece of land to Palestinians. Homes, shops, public facilities have been built. Just because a bunch of people lived their centuries ago doesn't give them the right to the land.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/middle-east/israel-s-insider-critics-1.1878216?page=1

Streets in the West Bank are colour coded according to whether a Palestinian can walk down it or not?

How exactly in this NOT apartheid? I'm a strong critic of Hamas but if you treat a people like animals and they respond like animals, well, you can hardly be surprised.

Both peoples have historical claims, both have been there in one form on another since the dawn of time. Eretz Yisrael will always be the home of the Jewish people.

So what would you suggest Israel do then? If they put down their arms, they'll be slaughtered in their millions. That seems a fairly good reason to keep on protecting itself.

I would be very wary of any Irish source as they are notoriously anti-Israel and untrustworthy.

I prefer not to give them clicks, so haven't read the actual article - but from what I understand it's only Hebron that has separate walking area to get through a fence.

Hebron has notoriously been a flashpoint for decades and separation between Israelis and palestinians was deemed necessary.

May I remind you of a wall in Belfast that separates Catholics and protestants.

Judging by the amount of deaths they've caused I think we are. Has there been any peace in Israel's entire history? I think settling on Palestinian land was a pretty significant event that lead to the bloodshed.

How so? They have their iron dome and they have one of the worlds most sophisticated military. All that needs to be done is remove the oppression they inflict on Palestine, maybe even a power sharing sort of outcome. Palestinian decommissioning could be a requirement for any sort of agreement. If it worked in NI it can work in Palestine.

You can't really justify dropping bombs on hospitals, schools, homes etc as protection. You can't fight a guerrilla war like that. Like I said, it only radicalizes the population and in turn the militants aren't seen as terrorists who disrupt the peace, but freedom fighters. The UK never needed to fly jets over west Belfast and bomb it to bits despite the IRA living, operating and hiding weapons there, so why is it ok for Israel to do just that in Gaza?