The Israel/Palestine Conflict Mk. IV

The second America says they're going to attack someone, people now think its ok without thinking twice about it (obviously there are exceptions, but you get what im saying)

-- I do not believe the empire ever gave up land unless it hurt their economy or their reputation. Ex: they kept America and earned money and natural recourses from the country until the people fought back and they were loosing money from the destroyed ships, dead troops, and the money they were spending implementing their laws. They also had India until Gandhi. Gandhi was not able to persuade them to give up the land in court, so he had to protest, and they lost lots of money and international support through embargos.

- Arab's want an Arab state because if you look at the world's view of Arab's you see that they shun and disapprove of them oftentimes.

They feel like the whole world is against them, and so they have no protection. they have to protect themselves.

Russia is in a similar situation. Russia does not conform with the west and so Europe is slowly trying to dismantle it. the USSR failed in '92 and they lost a large portion of their land. Now the EU is enticing many countries between Russia and the rest of Europe into the EU although they are in the Eurasian Union. Once these countries join their sphere of influence will spread. Once it spread, they will take more parts of Russia until it conforms and turns into another "western" country.

Having Israel in the middle of all these Arab states is harmful. If Israel actually was peaceloving there would not be a problem. Like turkey, Arabs love Turkey though they are not Arab. The problem is that once Israel finishes its problems in its own country, it will try to expand. If you look at their maps of the size Israel should be, you'll see that they want to take Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, and portions of another country.

- yes, and I feel special when I came to live in Jerusalem also. My family on the other side of the wall feels special when they were aloud to visit the al-Aqsa mosque 2 months back. they didn't leave it the whole time they were hear (they live half an hour away, but have not been aloud to visit it. My uncle hasn't seen it since he was a teenager, and his daughter who is 18 has never seen it before other than on tv). My point in saying all this is that everyone should have the right to visit the land. I never said I would like to forbid the jews from visiting, or living here. I just think that oppressing the other people that live here isn't the right way to go about it.

- well I guess that is common. that is why you are not a muslim :P. I would like to thoroughly read one day

- I have heard of, read, and been educated about the circumstances of this declaration (by an American teacher. he was neither pro Palestine, nor Israel). This declaration was sent to the Jews without the Arabs knowing. Anyway I was talking about before the declaration (sorry for not specifying). before the declaration Arabs were told that they'd have their own country, that is why they made their own flag and coins and everything.

- the word Zionist back then has a different meaning than the word now.

- I do believe it is a prophecy that they believe in, but as a religious Jew told me here: the prophecy never said anything about massacres and apartheid, that is why I do not support Israel. If you meet an orthodox Jew one day, you should talk to them. They usually disapprove of the creation of Israel.

- I think that what you have been taught is wrong. I know that he conquered areas to spread Islam, but he did not go killing and enslaving civilians. Prophet Mohammad was actually known for his hatred for slavery. Slavery was not aloud during his time. Did you know he also developed one of the first democratic systems.

People that lived in a Muslim owned area did have to pay Jizya. it was a taxes every nonmuslim had to pay. would you like to know why muslims did not pay it? Muslims did not pay it because they had to pay Zakkat. This zakat is a percentage of your annual earnings that you pay every Eid. this money goes to feeding and housing the poor. The nonmuslims paid this in the form of jizya because he did not want to impose his religions on them, but if they did not pay people would go hungry, so he found a middle ground.

I understand that our teachings are different. I am also taught negative things about Christianity and Judaism. this is what you were talking about with the everyone being brainwashed.

Anyway it was so long ago that we don't really know the truth. All we know is what we hear, and we have to choose whether or not we believe it.

- it is not hatred, it is more of warning. It tells nonbelieves to beware. We believe that those who were not properly educated about our religion will not be punished.

- I do not support the right of the country called "Israel",with all its current apartheidal laws, to exist. I do support the idea of Jews remaining here and living with Arabs, and developing a fair system that we can both live under.

- I think they should invite them back to live with them, but I do not think that they should leave. I do not believe Arabs fought the jews (obviously small instances of hatred occur in every country, but I am just talking about the majority here) until the jews started forcing the idea of a jewish state just for jew upon them.

Another problem is that mecca and medina are only holy to Muslims.

Jerusalem is holy to muslims, Christians, and jews. So, anyone that wants to live here should be able to.