Is TSR being flooded by Israeli shills.

Hamas are an organisation existing within Israel's jurisdiction. I'm not arguing that there aren't faults on both sides. I'm merely stating that it is Israel's responsibility to ensure that the number of civilian casualties is kept at a minimum, which they appear to have absolutely no interest in.

The conditions that Palestinians live in are atrocious and the county that is solely responsible for that is Israel. No wonder organisations like Hamas exist, otherwise nothing would ever come close to changing.

Civilian casualties in most wars in history have been historically high, regardless of how advanced we think we are becoming. Human error is still a factor.

Hamas was voted into power and you cannot seriously be saying Hamas will bring change for Palestine? if anything its led to more blood shed. Israel historically have offered palestine deals which it should of took, you cannot be sorry for their mistakes. If anything its religious hatred gone to new heights.

One thing i do agree with, the current conditions in Gaza are atrocious but Israel needs to take the utilitarian view, what has it got to gain from going beyond its "basic duty of care" when its taking coffers out of Israel's budget.

Why haven't the local arab countries which led the 1967 nationalism offered more assistance? End of the day, no country in the middle east wants to see Israel prosper. It needs to take a hard line approach.

One state solution is out of the question and a two state solution will be a threat to Israel.

I'm not pro Hamas, I'm pro Palestine. Thought I'd make that clear before I start to sound like I'm pro-terrorist. Hamas are clearly going about things the wrong way and hold extremist views, but they are supporting Palestine in some way shape or form. Israel give aid, but if they had no obligation to do so, they would not (if they did nothing, then the world would turn against them in my eyes). That is evident and they do not act in Palestine's best interest.

The only resolution to the ******* is granting independence and conceding defeat. Israel will never be able to prevent hostilities unless they can arrange a mutually beneficial agreement (which is pretty much impossible). They would become a threat to Israel, but they should have the right to be a threat (in the sense that they should have a right to be a self-governed entity). There will never be peace because Israel deny them that right.

Hands up I don't even know what a shill is.

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Come on you guys, stay on topic.

The topic is a stupid one for two reasons:

1) TSR is not going to be high on anyone's target list for changing public opinion. If Israel were seriously paying money for propaganda then you'd expect them to target sites like the BBC, Guardian and other major news services. Not some random student website.

2) Looking at the threads being started on TSR recently it is clear that there are far more anti-Israel threads and posts than the other way around.

If you want my true opinion I think that the notion behind your question is symptomatic of a cognitive dissonance. It seems similar to how people feel it necessary to believe in some massive pro-Israel conspiracy to explain why the media is not reporting what they think is the reality. It is just too difficult for them to maintain their beliefs about Israel whilst being presented with blatantly different evidence in all media. Therefore they reconcile this with the crazy belief of a massive conspiracy. To me this seems similar. As a way of reconciling the strong and passionate defence of Israel by ordinary people with your firm belief that Israel is evil and despised by all, you posit that those defences are not real.

Or possibly you just want a cheap way to try and discredit all pro-Israel posters. Either way, the thread is stupid.

The topic is a stupid one for two reasons:

1) TSR is not going to be high on anyone's target list for changing public opinion. If Israel were seriously paying money for propaganda then you'd expect them to target sites like the BBC, Guardian and other major news services. Not some random student website.

2) Looking at the threads being started on TSR recently it is clear that there are far more anti-Israel threads and posts than the other way around.

If you want my true opinion I think that the notion behind your question is symptomatic of a cognitive dissonance. It seems similar to how people feel it necessary to believe in some massive pro-Israel conspiracy to explain why the media is not reporting what they think is the reality. It is just too difficult for them to maintain their beliefs about Israel whilst being presented with blatantly different evidence in all media. Therefore they reconcile this with the crazy belief of a massive conspiracy. To me this seems similar. As a way of reconciling the strong and passionate defence of Israel by ordinary people with your firm belief that Israel is evil and despised by all, you posit that those defences are not real.

Or possibly you just want a cheap way to try and discredit all pro-Israel posters. Either way, the thread is stupid.

Well now, that is one hell of a good post,

A real nail on head explanation there.

Sadly I'm out of reps for the day, so have a cool smiley instead

Well the majority here seems to disagree and with good reason. TSR actually returns on the first page of google for quite a number of search terms and boasts of having 3 million registered users and 6.3 million unique vistitors per month. That may still be too small to bother with, but to dismiss the topic as stupid given what we know and how little effort it would take seems a little..... stupid.

That maybe the case but how on earth is that evidence that we don't attract Israeli shills?

It's not some crazy conspiracy theory, Israel pay for social media propagandists, the only question is to what level they take it.

I'm not too keen on either side, I just find all the propaganda vile. But is it not Israel that are discrediting all pro-Israel posters by paying for propagandists to post all over social media?

Can you identify a number of new users who post exclusively pro-Israel posts?

Sure, but it's against the rules. I'm already on a yellow for doing so.

It's against the rules for saying how long ago a user registered? Isn't that visible by everyone?

Talking about moderation issues is also against the rules i'm afraid.

Maybe there's more pro Israel posts because more people are seeing the truths about Hamas, or more people are willing to defend and spread their own opinion?

Is anything pro Israel nowadays branded propaganda or false no matter what is actually said???

Can you identify a number of new users who post exclusively pro-Israel posts?

There's this Pinzer chap who started a couple of days ago.

One swallow doesn't make a spring. I've no doubt that there have been plenty of anti-Israel people who have recently signed up too. It's the nature of the topic that people feel passionate and so find outlets. TSR is just one of those.