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The Israel/Palestine Conflict Mk. IV

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Reply 3440

Bill_Gates

i love how no one has put forward a decent opposite view.

Read up on it kids, don't support the terrorists!

Reply 3441

Bill_Gates

Original post by ssingh9

I tend not to get involved in these kind of debates, but I love how anyone who wants to find out more or is even remotely looking like they're considering putting themselves in Israel's mindset for a second is shot down as a troll, anti-Muslim, etc. Is it not wiser to consider evidence and make reasoned arguments than blurting out stuff like "Stop bull****ting"? Forcing your opinion on others who haven't done the research to consider it critically is morally bankrupt.

Now this guy talks sense.

Just because the majority side with one view does not make it right. People are swayed by emotion not logic.

Reply 3442

bertstare

Original post by Bill_Gates

Now this guy talks sense.

Just because the majority side with one view does not make it right. People are swayed by emotion not logic.

It's logical to support a side that has been systematically oppressed by a well financed and technologically superior nation for the past 60+ years, especially when that nation seems to specialise in destroying civilian settlements and killing young children, when the threat to themselves is proportionally almost non existent, and using the notion of "self defense" to disguise their blatant terrorist behaviour

Now that my friend, is logic

(edited 9 years ago)

Reply 3443

Inzamam99

Original post by Bill_Gates

i love how no one has put forward a decent opposite view.

Read up on it kids, don't support the terrorists!

Reply 3444

H0PEL3SS

Original post by Bill_Gates

i love how no one has put forward a decent opposite view.

Read up on it kids, don't support the terrorists!

I have read up on it. I don't support Israel. :smile:

nobody cares

Original post by bertstare

Israel is where it is and we can't do anything about that, so let's leave that to one side. Do you honestly think Israel would be left in peace if it were to disarm? The aggressor in this conflict is Hamas and they will never stop trying to kill Jews.

Reply 3447

hellodave5

Original post by Bill_Gates

I think this guy sums it up pretty well

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHC8KC5cLs8

P.S i do not approve the killing of civilians on either side.

Which side do you support and why logically? please let us know if you have read up on the history of the situation or not.

Could you please explain in words why you support those you do?

Reply 3448

Fullofsurprises

Pitiful pictures of children lying in anguish in inadequate hospitals in Gaza on TV right now - the survivors of Israel's deliberate shelling of UN schools. Clearly Israel is trying to drive the UN out of Gaza - the last few days they have been doing all the usual things, attacking Western journalists, the UN, hospitals, schools, etc, under a now totally unbelievable and hypocritical screen of regular denials, each less credible than the previous one.

The most disgusting thing tonight is the news that the US is sending Israel more weapons. It's not unreasonable to ask how many more they need. The behaviour of the US government in this context is depraved.

Reply 3449

bertstare

Original post by pane123

Israel continues to build settlements in the West Bank, violating plenty of international laws in the process. Your position is basically this: Let Israel do whatever the **** they want, even if it furthers the decades-long oppression of the Palestinian people and colonization of their land, and when they naturally retaliate, label them as terrorists and aggressors. And make sure you bomb a few schools and hospitals full of civilians just for good measure

Reply 3450

Meenglishnogood

Original post by tsr1269

If the world is convinced, it doesn't matter if you were not. You are insignificant in the grander scheme of things...

newsflash- i dont think the world is convinced either...

Original post by tsr1269

Gladly:

"and i dare say then it must be your hostility to jews and the west, to ignore the fact they are infact terrorists?"

so now jumping from pedantry to childishness are you now? - you know full well in the above comment "they" referred to Hamas as we were talking bout them all along

Original post by tsr1269

As I have said, if Israel wanted to establish their own state, they would have to travel back in time to the start of the 20th Century, defeat the Germans, travel overland through modern day Turkey and Syria engaging in bloodbaths before they can set up camp in Palestine.

no they dont, they can just defeat the arabs (which they did in 1948, 67 and 73) etc. in your mind arabs won the land fair and square in war, so why dont you then congratulate israel for doing so too now seeing as you like war so much? is it becuase they didnt kill as many people as the arabs did when they conquered peoples land

Original post by tsr1269

If they then wish to conquer the region, then they can do so. Parachuting into an area through mass illegal immigration and then proceeding on a rampage against the indigenous people abusing their hospitality in the process is an "illegitimate form of conquest".

so you feel that israel are right to rule the region, you are just against their methods of 'conquest' because its not bloody enough - yes we get it now.

the crux of your whole level of discourse toward israel and jews in general - they werent as bloody in the
acquisition of land as the arabs were.

Original post by tsr1269

Whaboutery is not a valid argument, much to your chagrin.

wuh? please try to make sense.

(edited 9 years ago)

Reply 3451

Bill_Gates

Original post by Secretnerd123

Stop bull****ting. You hate islam and thats why. You're not fooling anyone matey.

Spoiler

I do not hate, i am a man of God.

What is Islam? Is Islam Egypt, Jordan, Syria attacking Israel in 1967 in order to wipe it off the map? and then facing an embarrassing defeat and having to beg for their land back?

I want peace just like the Israeli's do.

:smile:

Reply 3452

Bill_Gates

Original post by H0PEL3SS

I have read up on it. I don't support Israel. :smile:

I think you might of read the wrong book. :rolleyes:

Reply 3453

H0PEL3SS

Original post by Bill_Gates

I think you might of read the wrong book. :rolleyes:

Pray, do tell. What is your reasoning apart from "I hate Islam so I think that it's okay for Israel to murder children who don't know why their lives are overshadowed by death and destruction"?

Reply 3454

Bill_Gates

Original post by H0PEL3SS

Pray, do tell. What is your reasoning apart from "I hate Islam so I think that it's okay for Israel to murder children who don't know why their lives are overshadowed by death and destruction"?

Please tell me why you support Palestine other than we hate the jews and dont believe in their way of life?! :rolleyes:

Israel is a legitimate state surrounded by terrorists who want to wipe them out, they have no choice but to fight evil. Like i said i do not promote civilian death on either side but this is a war zone, with the terrorists offering no compromise just like other terrorist groups like ISIS, Al Qaeda, Boko Haram etc.

Reply 3455

Meenglishnogood

Original post by Al-farhan

Well I'm glad you are enjoying death and destruction, bloody COD generation.
Disgusting.

again tho there is the reality that (in addition to firing rockets from within civvi population and keeping their rockets in schools) hamas missles are not guided, not sophisticatedly targetted etc, so many may actually fall short and hit palestinian buildings too, proba they account for quite a few houses blown up in gaza ( but obviously wont admit it) its win win for them becuase they can blame them on israel too, and due to effect of propaganda, muslims dont question them.

Reply 3456

Pinzgauer

Tunnels found in Mosque

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=dfc_1406749672

Reply 3457

29Bilal96

Original post by Shadoo

The current attacks against Gaza are the Palestinians fault they refuse to negotiate and continue launching missiles from behind their women and children against Israeli civilians then complain when the Israeli government responds they are basically being cowards and allowing their women and children to suffer while they keep launching missiles and complaining.

When you launch an indiscriminate attack from warships, fighter jets, tanks, artillery and helicopters on a CIVILIAN AREA - what do you expect to find there? When you attack civilian areas, you kill civilians.

Gaza is the most densley populated place on earth. It's an open air prison. So when Israel fires into these areas it is going to kill and maim people every time.

Secondly, according to the Israeli Human Rights group, Beit Selem which tracks both Israel and Palestinian deaths, dozens of children as young as 4 years old were killed with gunshot wounds to the HEAD AND CHEST. Not to mention the videos coming through showing snipers killing rescuers. Bombing ambulances and hospitals also has to be the most cowardly thing a military could do. So I'm afraid this "doesn't target civilians" statement doesn't hold up the facts.

Reply 3458

Meenglishnogood

Original post by HeavyTeddy

Did I say that the issues in Syria (I explicitly mentioned that Syria did in my post), Iraq and Nigeria didn't get media attention? As far as I know, I certainly was made aware of various petitions that called for intervention (amongst other things) in those regions during the time when media coverage on those topics had peaked. Especially with the situation last year in Syria there were numerous Muslim charities working very hard to send emergency aid. Muslims aren't selective about what atrocities they condemn, it's just popular for the anti-Muslim brigade on TSR to assume they are (without evidence might I add). The ISIS situation is definitely a difficult one to figure out (even for Muslims), but the majority of Muslims don't support violence against civilians regardless of whichever 'side' they appear to be on.

i think his point is its a bit rich some muslims coming here to push the human cost of life angle in the palestinian conflcit. we all know the real reason why muslims are glued to this issue is purely becuase the capture of jerusalem/ levant is an islamic issue going back a thousand years. islamists will sacrifce any number of muslim lives to get it back. its not the human cost that bothers most muslims- again as he said there were street protests full of muslims about 1000 killed in gaza - id venture zero came out about the 2500 iraqis according to the UN killed due to ISIS, or going back further the 100,000 shias and kurds saddam killed. not even for the 300,000 killed in darfur.

so we know the loss of life is not the issue for these 'campaginers' or even people on this thread - unless it relates to some islamist agenda