The Israel/Palestine Conflict Mk. IV

again, i stated quite clearly that hamas were the terrorists, as confirmed by most countries the EU etc etc so there is no arguing about that. you are just trying to interpret what you want to, based on your own personal hangups with the jews.

to all the pro israelis answer me this why is israel not using its ground forces to attack mortar positions rather than just bombing the place your far less likely to kill innocent people when you use ground forces .

thats exactly what hamas did, hence the battle of Gaza ( look it up to help counteract you ignorance on palestine conflict)

You know nothing about tactics.

Dumbasses are the ones who are brainwashed into supporting a group who are in the wrong, not just for themselves but wrong for humanity.

Enjoy it because you will lose.

Lol did you just copy paste that from your hasbara trainers. How much do you get paid per hour? Can I join?

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Your view of Hamas and the Palestinians is idealized. Hamas is a direct product of the Islamist movement which convulsed the arab world in the 1980s; while it's true that their primary aim is the liberation if Palestine, there are no grounds for saying that religious extremism isn't also a part of the overall identity of their organization.

The Jewish people are indigenous to Palestine, and, even taking into account the diaspora, Jews have inhabited it continuously for the past 3000 years. Stating that the Palestinian claim is stronger on the basis that they were there first is fallacious.

If you want to believe the Jews are terrorists, then that's fine by me as you are entitled to your opinion. .

Let me be unequivocally clear as you seem intent on not understanding:

I would have no objections if one country invades another country, in the absence of a peace treaty, and allows immigration of their own people to take place.

I would vehemently raise objections if a group of mass illegal immigrants decide to abuse the generous hospitality of their hosts by turfing out the indigenous people and demanding their own state from which they would commit and inflict unspeakable atrocities upon the now displaced indigenous people in order to subjugate their will, their fight and their claim to the land. .

My views are nothing new and in fact, I welcome the opportunity to air my views.

I am able to rationalise my views and provide evidence for them unlike some others that I would decline to mention on this thread... .

If you have a bug bear about Islamists, may I suggest you create a thread in the appropriate sub-forum? .

You seem to lack a general understanding about the conflict and dare I say, English in general. .

However, I must commend you on your knowledge about Islamists, which unfortunately, is quite irrelevant in this particular thread, despite your best efforts to tar the conflict as a solely Islamist one.

HAMAS did not "attempt" a coup. They pre-empted a coup which eventually resulted in them being the sole party.

Supporting the government of Israel is no better than supporting Hamas. Both are legitimate elected representatives of their respective peoples. Both have the right to defend their "states", and one has the right to resist occupation and siege. Both should be accountable to war crimes they commit. One is more accountable to excessive force. Their actions should he judged ex-poste as failure makes them repeat.

You ever going to make a thread of Hamas' war crimes? The use of human shields? Firing hundreds of rockets per day into Israel? The deliberate targeting of civilians? The call for genocide and the destruction of Israel in Hamas' constitution? The fact that Palestinian children programmes call for the murder of Jews? The use of Nazi slogans and iconography within Palestine? Any of these give you cause for concern?

You ever going to make a thread of Hamas' war crimes? The use of human shields? Firing hundreds of rockets per day into Israel? The deliberate targeting of civilians? The call for genocide and the destruction of Israel in Hamas' constitution? The fact that Palestinian children's programmes call for the murder of Jews? The use of Nazi slogans and iconography within Palestine? Any of these give you cause for concern?