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The Israel/Palestine Conflict Mk. IV
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Original post by tsr1269
According to the ToI, the IAF broke the humanitarian ceasefire (08:21 report) by bombing the strip a couple of minutes after the ceasefire came into effect.
After a mortar was fired.
Some reports are saying a "serious incident" took place.
Look like Hamas mounted an attack of some sort straight after the ceasefire to catch Israel off guard.
Original post by Pinzgauer
After a mortar was fired.
Some reports are saying a "serious incident" took place.
Look like Hamas mounted an attack of some sort straight after the ceasefire to catch Israel off guard.
Some reports are saying a "serious incident" took place.
Look like Hamas mounted an attack of some sort straight after the ceasefire to catch Israel off guard.
Lol. Just lol.
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Original post by Pinzgauer
A prelude to a rocket strike, yes.
Why do you think Hamas would willingly break the ceasefire? To catch Israel off guard? You think Israel would lover their guard when they fear like.....? to further enrage the Isrealis so that more civilians could be killed? More diplomatic leverage?
For people like you to spout their hate and strengthen negative views on Hamas?
Do you fear the siren? A rocket attack? The prelude to it? More than a missile?
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Original post by TheKingOfTSR
Do you fear the siren? A rocket attack? The prelude to it? More than a missile?
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Do you fear the siren? A rocket attack? The prelude to it? More than a missile?
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Goodbye.
Original post by TheKingOfTSR
1. Diplomatic leverage in exchange of the lives of Palestinians (we call them martyrs - the most noblest of ways to die) is okay
Everyone who supports Hamas and claims that they care about their civilians should have a look at this. This is how these people think. They sacrifice their own just so they look good in the eyes of the world, and like victims because that's the only way these cowards can fight.
So is every single child who died 'a martyr' ? What if they didn't want to be martyrs? Huh?
**** Hamas. What government would kill their own for propaganda purposes? A terrorist one.
2. Palestinians do not fear much. They have tolerated Israeli massacres and they do not fear death. They would easily form a new hamas, fire rockets and dig tunnels.
I guess when you glorify death, that is easy.
3. Israel has no right to reject the entry of Palestinians into their lands. It was the Palestinians' in the first place
It wasn't. It was the Ottoman Empire's, where both Arabs and Jews lived. It was then under the British Mandate. It was then given to create a Jewish state and an Arab state. The Palestinian Arabs couldn't live with the fact that there would be jews next door, and they started a war which they subsequently lost. They've been sore losers ever since.
Even if the Palestinians left by choice, still this doesn't deny them the right to return back to the homes and lands of their grandfather's and grandmum's
It does, it's no longer their land. They are not Israelis. They can't just waltz into Israel whenever they please, just like your ordinary Israeli can't waltz into Gaza whenever he/ she pleases.
On the other hand Israel has no right to invade Gaza and no right for the settlement.
There are no settlements in Gaza since 2005.
Israel invaded because Hamas was doing a **** job in stopping terrorism, and was putting Israel at risk. It's called self defense and Israel has every right to do it.
It isn't their rightful land. Their existence in the ME only destables the region and they should go/giveupland if peace is to be restored. But the US doesn't want peace in the ME so...
True, the US doesn't want peace in the ME. It doesn't serve their purpose.
But it is their rightful land. If you're going by historic claim of the land, which you seem to be going by, the Israeli jews were there long before the Arabs, much before the Roman Empire ever existed.
If you're not, not only were the Israelis given this land after the Ottoman Empire and British Mandate ended, but then they fought a war against the Arabs for it. It most certainly is their land now. And it has been for generations, so kicking out all Israelis (civilians as well) would be like repeating History, would it not?
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Everyone who supports Hamas and claims that they care about their civilians should have a look at this. This is how these people think. They sacrifice their own just so they look good in the eyes of the world, and like victims because that's the only way these cowards can fight.
So is every single child who died 'a martyr' ? What if they didn't want to be martyrs? Huh?
**** Hamas. What government would kill their own for propaganda purposes? A terrorist one.
2. Palestinians do not fear much. They have tolerated Israeli massacres and they do not fear death. They would easily form a new hamas, fire rockets and dig tunnels.
I guess when you glorify death, that is easy.
3. Israel has no right to reject the entry of Palestinians into their lands. It was the Palestinians' in the first place
It wasn't. It was the Ottoman Empire's, where both Arabs and Jews lived. It was then under the British Mandate. It was then given to create a Jewish state and an Arab state. The Palestinian Arabs couldn't live with the fact that there would be jews next door, and they started a war which they subsequently lost. They've been sore losers ever since.
Even if the Palestinians left by choice, still this doesn't deny them the right to return back to the homes and lands of their grandfather's and grandmum's
It does, it's no longer their land. They are not Israelis. They can't just waltz into Israel whenever they please, just like your ordinary Israeli can't waltz into Gaza whenever he/ she pleases.
On the other hand Israel has no right to invade Gaza and no right for the settlement.
There are no settlements in Gaza since 2005.
Israel invaded because Hamas was doing a **** job in stopping terrorism, and was putting Israel at risk. It's called self defense and Israel has every right to do it.
It isn't their rightful land. Their existence in the ME only destables the region and they should go/giveupland if peace is to be restored. But the US doesn't want peace in the ME so...
True, the US doesn't want peace in the ME. It doesn't serve their purpose.
But it is their rightful land. If you're going by historic claim of the land, which you seem to be going by, the Israeli jews were there long before the Arabs, much before the Roman Empire ever existed.
If you're not, not only were the Israelis given this land after the Ottoman Empire and British Mandate ended, but then they fought a war against the Arabs for it. It most certainly is their land now. And it has been for generations, so kicking out all Israelis (civilians as well) would be like repeating History, would it not?
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I am disgusted by the fact that you think it's okay to kill your own civilians so you look good in the eyes of the media.
Original post by Pinzgauer
Rocket alert sirens sounded in the Beer Sheba region on Friday afternoon.
Earlier on Friday morning, a planned 72-hour ceasefire went into effect, however it was quickly broken.
So much for that. At least the world sees who keeps breaking the ceasefire.
Earlier on Friday morning, a planned 72-hour ceasefire went into effect, however it was quickly broken.
So much for that. At least the world sees who keeps breaking the ceasefire.
Snagprophet
Wow, it's still up. I'm amazed.
I spoke too soon.
From Haaretz today. Despite their hype and denials, the IDF are up to their usual game of attacking civilians, UN offices and 'delicate' targets with abandoned ferocity, indifferent both to world opinion and military logic.
MI (military intelligence) failed to uncover the Hamas command centre and locate the hiding place of its commanders. Senior IDF officers boasted during the first days of Operation Protective Edge of huge achievements, of striking a mortal blow at Hamas, of signs the enemy was breaking. But Mohammed Deif and his men continue to control their forces, launch rockets at Israel and attack IDF troops even in the fourth week of the fighting.
Absent high-quality intelligence and battle plans, the IDF chose the Operation Cast Lead solution – massive fire at populated zones, with major harm to civilians. The number of Palestinian dead has reached 1,400, most of them civilians. Hundreds of thousands have become refugees; many homes have been destroyed.
Despite the cloak of legal approval with which the army covers itself, it is hard to be persuaded that a real effort has been made to limit harm to the innocent, to maintain the morality of the fighting, and to avoid deepening the hatred of our neighbors, next to whom we will have to live when the weapons fall silent.
MI (military intelligence) failed to uncover the Hamas command centre and locate the hiding place of its commanders. Senior IDF officers boasted during the first days of Operation Protective Edge of huge achievements, of striking a mortal blow at Hamas, of signs the enemy was breaking. But Mohammed Deif and his men continue to control their forces, launch rockets at Israel and attack IDF troops even in the fourth week of the fighting.
Absent high-quality intelligence and battle plans, the IDF chose the Operation Cast Lead solution – massive fire at populated zones, with major harm to civilians. The number of Palestinian dead has reached 1,400, most of them civilians. Hundreds of thousands have become refugees; many homes have been destroyed.
Despite the cloak of legal approval with which the army covers itself, it is hard to be persuaded that a real effort has been made to limit harm to the innocent, to maintain the morality of the fighting, and to avoid deepening the hatred of our neighbors, next to whom we will have to live when the weapons fall silent.
Original post by Snagprophet
I spoke too soon.
Hmm..so you just need to turn on the sirens and then tada! Hamas broke ceasefire
And are you scared of sirens too?
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Original post by TheKingOfTSR
And are you scared of sirens too?
It would probably make me jump if one went off where it normally wouldn't.
Original post by Snagprophet
It would probably make me jump if one went off where it normally wouldn't.
What about missiles? Would they make you jump?
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Original post by miavdbt
Divide and conquer, this is an example of divide and conquer. These countries will not be strong and united and they will not present a threat to the USA. Let's not forget the US has dabbled with at least two of these previously.
Why would they "pose a threat" to the US if the US has done nothing to "pose a threat"? Are you insinuating that the US has done something wrong in the region for these countries to "pose a threat"?
Why do you think that is?
It makes money?
True, though it being a democracy I blame that on the current President. The last one was keen on seeing Turkey in the EU, this one not so much. So, there will always be changing relations with Turkey.
Early polls put him to win on August 10 barring any major mishaps.
Specifically the UAE is heavily influenced by the West, including the US. It can't afford to fall out of favor with the West because much of its trade and sustenance (at least when it comes to Dubai) is dependent on the West. Thus, it'll never do much to support Israel, yes, because that would be suicide, but it also won't do much to support Hamas.
That being said, it has sent plenty of humanitarian aid to Gaza.
However, it has also cracked down on Muslim Brotherhood factions within the UAE, as well as any other signs of terrorism. Plus, it has stated that if a peace deal with Israel and Palestine is achieved, it will resume diplomatic relations with Israel.
That being said, it has sent plenty of humanitarian aid to Gaza.
However, it has also cracked down on Muslim Brotherhood factions within the UAE, as well as any other signs of terrorism. Plus, it has stated that if a peace deal with Israel and Palestine is achieved, it will resume diplomatic relations with Israel.
Appearences can be deceiving. UAE is "like a whore". Have enough money and you can purchase whatever you like...
Many of the countries in the Middle East are not democracies. They don't need to be pulling coups to create unrest and division.
The US needs a divided Middle East under constant conflict. To them, that is what Israel is. As long as Israel is there, it will always be an eyesore to countries in the Middle East. Division and conflict won't cease.
Again, security as well.
The US needs a divided Middle East under constant conflict. To them, that is what Israel is. As long as Israel is there, it will always be an eyesore to countries in the Middle East. Division and conflict won't cease.
Again, security as well.
The US doesn't need a divided ME. Too many cooks and all that...
The US has a way of making things go its way. Israel won't cease to exist in the next thirty to forty years, unless the US ceases to exist in the next thirty to forty years.
The US is not dependent on Israel but the same cannot be said vice-versa. If the US and Western allies were to pull the rug from beneath Israel, I could assure you that the other countries in that region would not hesitate to press forth their advantage and get rid of the "Israeli problem"...
To be honest, with what's going on in the world right now, I would not be surprised if we see nuclear war in the next 30 - 40 years.
Hmm, if Israel lets one rip, then they have effectively killed half of their Jewish population, so they won't but as you say, there may be a cold nuclear war in a couple of years.
Original post by miavdbt
I am disgusted by the fact that you think it's okay to kill your own civilians so you look good in the eyes of the media.
I am disgusted by the fact that you think it's okay to kill your own civilians so you look good in the eyes of the media.
I guess you're right. Hamas needs to go
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Original post by Pinzgauer
After a mortar was fired.
Some reports are saying a "serious incident" took place.
Look like Hamas mounted an attack of some sort straight after the ceasefire to catch Israel off guard.
Some reports are saying a "serious incident" took place.
Look like Hamas mounted an attack of some sort straight after the ceasefire to catch Israel off guard.
The IAF bombed the strip a couple of minutes AFTER the 72 hour ceasefire came into effect.
Original post by TheKingOfTSR
What about missiles? Would they make you jump?
Again, probably if it wasn't a usual occurrence. Probably not a water rocket though.
Original post by tsr1269
The IAF bombed the strip a couple of minutes AFTER the 72 hour ceasefire came into effect.
Not according to the media I'm reading.
It looks like Hamas mounted an attack and kidnapped a soldier. The time line on Jpost suggest this took place before artillery strikes.
Original post by Snagprophet
Again, probably if it wasn't a usual occurrence. Probably not a water rocket though.
Would you cry if your whole family was killed when the school they took refuge in was shelled? In a gaza scenario who would you blame? Hamas or the Israel?
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One thing is very clear: the Palestinian attack that ended the ceasefire was a pre-planned, multi-staged attack, not a local response
Seems that I was correct. Hamas waited for the ceasefire to launch a serious attack.
Seems that I was correct. Hamas waited for the ceasefire to launch a serious attack.
Original post by Snagprophet
Again, probably if it wasn't a usual occurrence. Probably not a water rocket though.
You're wasting your time.
Original post by Meenglishnogood
there is a planned Cease-fire early this morning thankfully, this time observed by the Islamists too.
but it will mean for a few hours tsr1269 wont be able to post regular fabricated images of destruction, s will have to find something else to do.
but it will mean for a few hours tsr1269 wont be able to post regular fabricated images of destruction, s will have to find something else to do.
Could you show me where I have ever, on this thread, posted "regular fabricated images" of destruction...
Original post by Pinzgauer
One thing is very clear: the Palestinian attack that ended the ceasefire was a pre-planned, multi-staged attack, not a local response
Seems that I was correct. Hamas waited for the ceasefire to launch a serious attack.
Seems that I was correct. Hamas waited for the ceasefire to launch a serious attack.
How many Israelis were killed? How may civilians injured?
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