The Israel/Palestine Conflict Mk. IV

I know statements like that which are lies hurts you.

I am free to write how I do. You are free to ignore what I write.



Just as you are free to ignore much of what I write (and you do ignore much of what I write), so I am free to ignore what I want too.



Since Jesus did not address this issue to his followers, I cannot quote him like I can with his addressing the issue of what to do with enemies (love them: Matthew 5:44; Luke 6:27-37).

Since I am not either God or Jesus Christ, I cannot answer that.



This one I can answer.

Hamas could stop shooting rockets into Israel and harboring rockets in civilian places, and instead should appeal to the world to help them create safe houses for the children and women and elderly. This would be the honorable thing to do.

Israel, by the way, should stop attacking Gaza and should instead keep on protecting its civilians from attacks. If both groups would stop attacking each other, safe shelters would not even be needed.

Really? He has no qualms about invading Gaza and slaughtering innocents, but we should have qualms about him having a taste of his own medicine? Actually I personally do not advocate for abuse of criminals but I would certainly not go out of my way to advocate for this criminal's well being. The people who hold him are the people whose families and friends he would not think twice about shooting in the head because he'd think it was 'self-defence' or some such bull****, I would think they're in perfect position to deal with him as they please. Even so, I highly doubt they will touch a hair on his head, as he will be essential in negotiations if Israel will be willing to stoop so low.

Get off your high horse.

Jesus is a Muslim prophet too, I highly doubt that was an Islamic thing to say. Just saying/

I do not follow the Torah. I follow Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ did not teach his followers to attack other people, but rather to love their enemies (Matthew 5:44; Luke 6:27-37).

When you have thousands of rockets shot at Tel Aviv, Jerusalem, Ashkelon, Jaffa, and even Bethlehem and Hebron, what would you do? care about left wing trash who condemn Israel no matter WHAT it does, or do something about the rocket attacks?

Agreed and agreed. What did I ignore, that was by mistake. If you really want an answer ask it again and emphasize it.

That statement did not hurt me. I was worried about you. Insulting Jesus Christ, who is Messiah/King and will return someday, is not the wisest thing to do.

When you have thousands of rockets shot at Tel Aviv, Jerusalem, Ashkelon, Jaffa, and even Bethlehem and Hebron, what would you do? care about left wing trash who condemn Israel no matter WHAT it does, or do something about the rocket attacks?

I would have to go way back and look, and I have to go to work soon, so I can't. Thanks though for the offer.


Personally, I don't understand why God allowed genocides in the Old Testament. Since God is God though and I'm not, I don't try to deny what is in the Old Testament but rather I focus on Jesus' teachings. Jesus brings the New Covenant which is for both Jews and Gentiles. The Torah is for the Jewish people, though many Jewish followers of Jesus believe they no longer need to obey many of the commands in the Torah.

As for me, I don't sacrifice animals for sin and burnt offerings like the Torah commands. I don't kill people who commit certain sins like the Torah commands. While I don't eat pork, I don't observe the festivals God commands in the Torah, though actually my Jewish Christian friends have taught me about them and I think I would like to observe the next Passover and other festivals God commands (without sacrificing animals).

As a Gentile Christian, I follow what Jesus says. I belong to the New Covenant God gives both Jews and Gentiles through Jesus Christ.



Focusing on protecting the children and women is not surrendering in my opinion, and fighting civil rights issues with nonviolence is also not surrendering, but is rather the best way to convict people.

When you have thousands of rockets shot at Tel Aviv, Jerusalem, Ashkelon, Jaffa, and even Bethlehem and Hebron, what would you do? care about left wing trash who condemn Israel no matter WHAT it does, or do something about the rocket attacks?

Why didn't Jesus stop his father from saying these things? Was his morality standards different?

Personally, I don't understand why God allowed genocides in the Old Testament.



Focusing on protecting the children and women is not surrendering in my opinion, and fighting civil rights issues with nonviolence is also not surrendering, but is rather the best way to convict people.

Since I am not either the Father in Heaven or Jesus Christ, I cannot give the best answer. However, I suppose I can give my personal humble opinion as a mere mortal.

I personally think people have been evolving in a way, where in Moses' time the people were less able to understand what people can understand now. I think God sent Jesus around 2,000 years ago because people were a bit more 'evolved' (for lack of a better term) and Jesus' teachings greatly helped people evolve even more to be able to be peaceful people who chose nonviolence instead of violence to resolve conflicts.

While granted there are people who deliberately choose violence instead of nonviolence to resolve conflicts, I personally am of the opinion that nonviolent ways to resolve conflict is much more 'evolved' than violent ways.

For example, my husband and I do not resolve conflicts through violence against each other. We resolve conflict by holding hands and communicating. If we tried to hurt each other, first I'd be dead cause my husband is much stronger and bigger than me, and second our marriage would not be strong or evolving/maturing.

Another example, although you and I disagree in some areas, we are not hurting each other. We are communicating. While we continue to disagree, the fact that we can communicate without physically hurting each other shows maturity.

Sadly, i don't think either Israel or Hamas is showing maturity in attacking each other. I think they both need to mature by handling conflict with nonviolence.

Anyways, again to your question, while I'm not God or Jesus Christ to answer the question, my humble mere mortal opinion is that people in that time were not as mature in understanding how to handle conflict nonviolently at that time.

Should I ask forgiveness from Jesus or from God?

Just reading through this article and seeing the way opinion across the political spectrum is starting to turn against Israel, I'm beginning to wonder whether the Israeli government has considered whether its actions lately are in their own long-term interests.

Despite longstanding Western and in particular US support for Israel, they seem increasingly hard pressed to turn a blind eye to Israel's actions in the region. The UN has already condemned them repeatedly. I also worry that such a disproportionate and brutal retaliation will only engender more anti-Semitism and Islamic militancy; not to mention potentially destabilising the region further as countries like Iran adopt an even more antagonistic posture to Israel/the West.

Benjamin Netanyahu and much of the Israeli leadership are, or at least were at one point, intelligent people. Are they being short-sighted in this conflict, though? Or do they feel that this actually secures their long term interests better than a less bloody response?

I have to go now. Peace and thanks for the interesting discussion.