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Original post by miavdbt
You would destroy everyone who is not a white Aryan, straight, healthy German?

That wasn't Hitlers position at all actually.

A gross, emotional straw-man/exaggeration of his ethnic views and actions.


Yea sorry, they don't accurately represent Nazi/Neo-Nazi views any more than "Muslims for Extra-Marital Sex and Prophet Drawings" represent Islam.

Don't confuse "Nazi" with "National Socialist"(The party in your link) either, the two are different.

While "Good night left side" is popular among Nazis and Neo-Nazis it's not unique to them, many american Republicans/Conservatives wear it as well.

It's a sign that they dislike the far-left.
Nazi's dislike the far-left, but not every anti-far left individual is a Nazi.

That's false logic.
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Quick reminder how the terrorists seized power

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=964_1181860210
Original post by Sic semper erat
WATCH: Finnish reporter admits Gaza rockets launched from hospital



Gotcha.
Original post by Sic semper erat
WATCH: Finnish reporter admits Gaza rockets launched from hospital


Wow, how credible! A lone scraggly woman on camera tells the world that a rocket was launched from a hospital already overflowing with the dead and dying! No solid evidence, nothing. How is this any different from those pie charts the IDF painstakingly makes up to drive its tripe home? It isn't.
Original post by Zen Baphomet
That wasn't Hitlers position at all actually.

A gross, emotional straw-man/exaggeration of his ethnic views and actions.


I'm well aware of Hitler's position. I'm also well aware where it would have gone should he have won WWII :smile:

If you want to clarify what you believe to be Hitler's position, please do. However, it id undeniable that ethnic minorities, homosexuals, and the disabled were all persecuted under his rule. Were he to expand, the slavs would have followed. Then, no doubt the Arabs.
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Israeli figures show 47% of those killed thus far are terrorists. According to Israeli sources, they have names and photos for many of them proving they were affiliated to terrorist groups. Evidence will be presented to investigators.

Time to embarrass the propaganda merchants at the UN with their "85% civilians" nonsense.
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Original post by miavdbt
I'm well aware of Hitler's position. I'm also well aware where it would have gone should he have won WWII :smile:

If you want to clarify what you believe to be Hitler's position, please do. However, it id undeniable that ethnic minorities, homosexuals, and the disabled were all persecuted under his rule. Were he to expand, the slavs would have followed. Then, no doubt the Arabs.


Hitler believed(from his private writings, discussions, documents and manifestos) in the unity and supremacy of the Nordic race as a whole, with a special place for the German Aryan as the Ideal candiate.

Contrary to popular belief, he didn't view non Aryan Caucasians as inherently inferior or that they need to be exterminated.
He also had a overwhelming respect for the Asians(specifically the Japanese) in which he openly stated that there culture and history was far superior to the Germans, and he had open admiration for there Nationalist strength and determination.

The concept(you stated) that all Non-Germans would have been purged is absolute nonsense, and not an idea supported by his actions during the War or his writings and conversations prior and during it either.
Original post by Pinzgauer
6 ceasefires either rejected or broken by palestinians.

Hence world leaders are far less critical of Israel. They know that the terrorist entity is at fault.

And all ceasefires that have been made have also been broken by Israel, may I remind you. And are they really less critical?
And how is that anything to do with both sides being too childish to talk directly to each other? At least it's good (well, not really) to see Israel learnt well from the Americans that if they're attacked by somebody they label as terrorists they believe it makes it OK for them to break the law. At least the Unites States has the decency to admit it, albeit several years later.
Original post by Pinzgauer
Israeli figures show 47% of those killed thus far are terrorists. According to Israeli sources, they have names and photos for many of them proving they were affiliated to terrorist groups. Evidence will be presented to investigators.

Time to embarrass the propaganda merchants at the UN with their "85% civilians" nonsense.

Because no government has ever falsified or twisted figures to boost there own cause in a combat situation or war.
Original post by Zen Baphomet
Because no government has ever falsified or twisted figures to boost there own cause in a combat situation or war.


More trustworthy than an organisation which is infiltrated by Islamists and has admited they get their figures from Hamas healthy ministry and the MEDIA.

Israel at least has proper intelligence and will provide names and photos.

Better than UN's hearsay.
Original post by Sic semper erat
She could be wrong or she could be right, who knows. Its good PR for Israel nonetheless and their fight against Quranimals

Surely it can't be a coincidence that all of you pro-Zionists have the same quip ('it could be right, it could be wrong') when confronted with something that is obviously false...?

If anything, the video just shows Israelis out to be deluded if they can believe something so strongly with such a dire lack of evidence.

Also, 'Quranimals'... LOL. Hamas =/= Al-Qaeda, no matter how much Israel tries to portray them thus.
Original post by miavdbt
No, you can't deliberately hurt civilians under International Law, however you can target such things as factories producing arms, homes used as military shelters and anyone who is by any means associated with combat and military. The lines become blurred when civilians pick up arms, and then leave them again.

I don't have my International Law textbook, otherwise I could have made this a lot clearer.

Either way, Israel is not targeting civilians, all of its targets are involved with Hamas, if civilians happen to die in those, then I believe that does not count as deliberately targeting civilians, because their target was the military shelter (for example), not whatever civilians happened to stand there.


who cares what international law is ? they will break it anyway
Original post by Et Tu, Brute?
I am well aware they are scum. But all I am saying is more can be done to reduce innocent casualties. The IDF respect for human life isn't much better than that of Hamas in my opinion.

in terms of the current conflict , the primary thing that can be dome to stop casualties is to stop hamas firing rockets - surely 1.5 million palestinans can try do something about this ( they arnt even making an effort of course, becuase they are brainwashed by islamst propaganda) i agree israel are hardly humanitarians, but that hardly surprising- they are dealing with islamists with the morals less than rats, it is inevitable they would become hardened in their outlook. imagine the response of the USA if say cuba started lauching rockets at its cities
Original post by Zen Baphomet
Hitler believed(from his private writings, discussions, documents and manifestos) in the unity and supremacy of the Nordic race as a whole, with a special place for the German Aryan as the Ideal candiate.

Contrary to popular belief, he didn't view non Aryan Caucasians as inherently inferior or that they need to be exterminated.
He also had a overwhelming respect for the Asians(specifically the Japanese) in which he openly stated that there culture and history was far superior to the Germans, and he had open admiration for there Nationalist strength and determination.

The concept(you stated) that all Non-Germans would have been purged is absolute nonsense, and not an idea supported by his actions during the War or his writings and conversations prior and during it either.


Hitler was a psychopath. His 'writings' were ridden with contradictions. I believe this idea was supported, because otherwise he wouldn't have thrown every non german he could get his hands on in a furnace. Not to mention disabled or homosexual germans.

If you have deluded yourself to believe that he was in any way a rational thinker who had clear ideas, that's your issue. He was an erratic psychopath who, if given the chance, would have if not purged the entire non aryan population, then at least enslaved it in labor camps.

Then again, I believe you were the guy who said you would have liked to finish what Hitler started, so one can't expect for you to have less than a deluded vision of him.
Original post by miavdbt
Hitler was a psychopath. His 'writings' were ridden with contradictions. I believe this idea was supported, because otherwise he wouldn't have thrown every non german he could get his hands on in a furnace. Not to mention disabled or homosexual germans.

He had no desire to mindlessly eradicate non-germans, in theory or in practice.

Your statements are baseless.

If you have deluded yourself to believe that he was in any way a rational thinker who had clear ideas, that's your issue. He was an erratic psychopath who, if given the chance, would have if not purged the entire non aryan population, then at least enslaved it in labor camps.

Actually he doesn't fit the main criteria for Psychopathy at all, trust me it's an area of human psychology I know an awful lot about.

Then again, I believe you were the guy who said you would have liked to finish what Hitler started, so one can't expect for you to have less than a deluded vision of him.

Tut tut.

Focus on the argument, not the opponent.
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Original post by young_guns
Oh right, that's in your "expert" military opinion, is it? Everyone becomes an armchair military expert on what is disproportionate in wartime since the start of this conflict. Given Hamas sites their assets and operatives in civilian areas, what would be the "correct" percentage of civilian casualties?


I never claimed to have an 'expert' opinion. And since when do you need to be an expert to think that when your killing 80% civilians that your maybe not having all the success in the world? I think it's just a basic human instinct to feel somewhat saddened by hundreds of children being killed.

Your right that Hamas do store munitions in civilian areas and they most certainly shouldn't do that. Of course that is going to be a factor in a higher number of civilian casualties. But you can't blame Hamas for Israel hitting civilian targets. This is the thing that annoys me with this conflict. A lot of Pro-Israel people seem to pile the blame on Hamas (for the record, they are also to blame for this ongoing conflict before someone accuses me of being an 'islamonazi terrorist'), whilst forgetting the Israeli's are the ones firing the rockets.



Original post by Sic semper erat
I never said that the 2014 Gaza war is a retaliation for what happened in Jordan in 1970, lol. I did mention those periods however as all that was happening before Hamas even existed. This goes back as far as 1920 when the Palestinian Arabs started massacring the Palestinian Jews. These Arabs have been anything but peaceful.

Palestinian civilians are no more victims than Israeli civilians are. This phenomenon of not many Israeli dying is relatively new, only back in 2002 more than 1,500 Israelis were killed entirely through suicide bombings. Anyway, that aside, I think if we're speaking of 'solutions' it should be obvious through history that solutions are either military or they are diplomatic. How exactly does feeling sorry for civilians (I most certainly do not feel sorry for them, they are hateful savages who would murder any Jew given the chance) help bring a solution? Are you sure this is the logical side of you rather than the emotional one?


Your right Israeli civilians are victims as well, of course they are. I was talking about this current conflict in the past few weeks when I said Palestinians were the main victims, I don't think you can make the argument other wise. Of course Israeli's have been killed during this most recent conflict but generally the group who are the worst off at the moment are Palestinians.

The solutions have to be diplomatic. It's either that or Israel wipes Gaza out to achieve peace. I think both sides need to stop killing each other and come to an agreement to end the occupation and have two states. Of course there will still be violence but any that does occur it will be clear as to who is to blame and hopefully everyone will agree on which group is at fault, which clearly is not the case at the moment. Feeling sympathy for civilians may bring more change than you think. If enough people and governments start feeling sympathy for Palestinian's then the pressure put on Israel could possibly lead to an end of this conflict. I also think it's fairly impossible not to feel sympathy with a mother and father whose child has been killed or a child who's parents have been killed, if you don't feel bad when innocent children, who lets face it pose no threat to anyone, are being killed then thats kinda messed up.
Original post by Sic semper erat
How on earth is this Israel's fault? I think its insincere that people say 'Israel must withdraw to 67' lines' and yet when Israel does do this, theyre still somehow to blame for whatever happens next. In 2005 Ariel Sharon cleansed Gaza from Jews and gave the entire thing back, no blockades no nothing. People used to say "Gaza can now become the Singapore of the Middle East". Its the pals that elected Hamas and fired rockets at Israel, how on earth is this Israel's fault? what is this 'pressure' you want to put on Israel? give them more land? they have 0 claims over Israeli territory. When are you going to accept the simple truth that these muslims are violent savages that dont understand the language of diplomacy? theyve violated 6 ceasefires. Its like pressuring the US to negotiate with Al Qaeda.


I didn't say it was Israel's fault, read the post again. Both Hamas and Israel share responsibility for this mess. Well Israel withdrew from Gaza which was great, well done to Israel for doing that. However they still controlled the borders, the airspace and the waters around Gaza so really Israel were not quite as brilliant as you suggested. Hamas were then elected and started firing rockets at Israel and that was clearly stupid. They could have then negotiated for full control of Gaza but they chose not too. The pressure to put on Israel clearly isn't to give them Palestinian lands, that is pressuring them to continue the hostilities. The pressure I was talking about is to pressure the Israeli government into stopping military action and come to the negotiation table wanting peace. I think both sides are war hungry. Hamas have around 85% support of Palestinians in Gaza and 97% of Israeli's support the current conflict, clearly neither side is going to want to lose that public support by finding a peaceful solution.

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