The Israel/Palestine Conflict Mk. IV

Even then a little stress compared to utter destruction and death...

The IDF is not the answer.

Not sure what your point is with the date. That is when the Turkish flotilla was sent. Or were you referring to a different incident? Regardless, the facts are facts and they do not fit with a vision of Gaza as some "open prison" where everyone is starving to death.

I don't want to derail the thread but if you are seeking an honest discussion then please feel free to ask me again via private message.

30 000 rockets fired at Israel. If they didn't have the iron dome, there would be far more dead Israeli civilians.

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Umm yeh because for one Israel is on their doorstep, second the nation they were harboured from has been at war with Israel for countless decades, thirdly they lack proper funds and practicalities to launch any meaningful offensive against the USA, they can do more damage to the state of Israel than they could ever do to the USA- Hamas are no ISIS or Taliban. Hamas have made it clear the USA and the West as a whole is their enemy but as we have seen from the likes of ISIS they take ground bit by bit and so Hamas would only attack the USA once it has taken over Israel and parts of Egypt as it has tried to in the past.

This is really a stupid question what do you want me to say?

How many rockets have been fired at Gaza? How many shells fired at Gaza?

In fact, why don't the Israeli's have a blog or a running tally of all the shells/missiles that they have launched on Gaza?

Possibly it is, possibly its not. If I lived in Palestine I would probably join Hamas for the very reasons you say earlier in this thread.

However, it is unfair to criticize one side without criticising the other. Besides, Hamas are worse than the IDF. Its like the USSR vs Nazi Germany. They are both bad, but who is worse?

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Read the rest of the thread for my opinion.

& they do.

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They do. The Palestinian Authority has security forces in the West Bank in case you didn't know. They and the IDF work together and have actually made the West Bank quite stable. Notice you never hear of rocket attacks or Israeli strikes in the West Bank.



Read history. The "Palestinians" are simply Arabs many of whom immigrated in large numbers from surrounding countries looking for work 100-150 years ago. According to the British during their mandate, more Arabs immigrated there than Jews did. The famous historian Martin Gilbert wrote that at least 50,000 Arabs immigrated there during the British Mandate alone, with tons more having gone there during Ottoman rule. Read any accounts about the area, from C.S. Lewis to the British High Commission. All of them said the land was desolate until the Jews moved there and built the place.

BTW 50% of Israeli Jews today are refugees from Arabic countries. And yes they easily got citizenship and a life. Meanwhile, the Arab countries treat their Arab-Palestinians like filth, they gave neither to them nor their descendants citizenship.

That's the last resort. Like using a hand grenade to fight off a mugger. The Arab countries (and Iran) have got lots of people they don't mind sacrificing and oodles of land. Israel has neither. You don't start a nuclear war if you've got a tiny little crowded country.

Its more david vs goliath I feel bad for the Palestininians because I know it will be hard for them to win compared with the size power, support and disregard for human life Israel has. Also to get a cease fire with abolition of the blockade on Gaza.

Decreased by a year or two due to the recent conflict?

There was also a flotila that was blown up by the IDF I dont know how you can say that lol.

Don't insult Sharon, he and Menachem Begin and Moshe Dayan were heroes. Natanyahu is too diplomatic and bit of a lefty for a Likud member.

I have and you haven't addressed my question.


Where is this fabled and mythical figure?

neither are jews from what we have seen and continue to see

Not sure what you mean? My post gave figures for Gaza and Glasgow

Well, personally, I would want Israel to win since they are democratic and far more liberal than Hamas. It's against my moral principles to support an militant group that does not respect either. That doesnt mean I wish for Palestinians to die, or that Israel is free from criticism (bombing children on a beach is one deplorable act)

I have no sympathy for Hamas. War is never fair, its not meant to be.

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All modern militaries have ammunition counts. They don't publish it usually, but they still have them. The British Army did for Iraq, if you dig around you will find it.

And what question?

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No. Israel is a functioning democracy you have muslims in its government, "Palestinians" were allowed to protest in Tel aviv and enjoy the same rights as everyone else.

Islam is hardly tolerable to non muslims.

No. Israel is a functioning democracy you have muslims in its government, "Palestinians" were allowed to protest in Tel aviv and enjoy the same rights as everyone else.

Islam is hardly tolerable to non muslims.