Multi-organ failure

Original post by NJA

Being a student is preparation for life.
Life can throw things at you, in fact it will do.

Medical students should be aware of what's going on.
All students can be directly or indirectly affected by multi-organ failure, so it's better to have an answer that works rather than no hope but a short life sentence.

Currently there is no cure for diabetes, type 1 or type 2. God performed no miracles; the doctors and nurses worked exceptionally hard. You cannot undermine the work of medical professionals and give all the credit to God.

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Lemonpopsicle2

Original post by NJA

Being a student is preparation for life.
Life can throw things at you, in fact it will do.

Medical students should be aware of what's going on.
All students can be directly or indirectly affected by multi-organ failure, so it's better to have an answer that works rather than no hope but a short life sentence.

Ah, I see, so it's all down to God then, thanks for the heads up.

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OP

Original post by Pectorac

Currently there is no cure for diabetes, type 1 or type 2. God performed no miracles; the doctors and nurses worked exceptionally hard. You cannot undermine the work of medical professionals and give all the credit to God.

I'm not underminig their work!
They did good work.
What I am saying is that health professionals, based on years of medical experience, told him to expect to die,
but, his relationship with God must have affected his body bio-chemically, either strengthened it's recovery ability or somethings we cannot explain.

The point is, he lives a happy life whereas if he had *only* relied on what the medical professionals said he probably wouldn't.

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Original post by NJA

I'm not underminig their work!
They did good work.
What I am saying is that health professionals, based on years of medical experience, told him to expect to die,
but, his relationship with God must have affected his body bio-chemically, either strengthened it's recovery ability or somethings we cannot explain.

The point is, he lives a happy life whereas if he had *only* relied on what the medical professionals said he probably wouldn't.

Again, there is no cure for diabetes but you are claiming there is one. God did not affect his biochemistry; doctors and nurses cannot see inside a patient all the time; a certain drug started to affect a certain organ in a certain way, which eventually lead to his recovery. Loo up pharmacokinetics and pharmacology. Why would God save this one man when there are millions of other people dying in pain; what makes this one person so special instead of all of the others pleading for God's help?

You are undermining medical professionals; it was them who saved a life, not God. Without them, he would be dead .

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OP

Original post by Pectorac

...Why would God save this one man when there are millions of other people dying in pain; what makes this one person so special instead of all of the others pleading for God's help?

It's the old-old story. So-called people of God were enraged when Jesus told how their calling to God made no difference because there was no actual faith (which comes from relationship with God):

"I tell you of a truth, many widows were in Israel in the days of Elijah,
when the heaven was shut up three years and six months, when great famine was throughout all the land;
(being a widow then in a time of famine basically meant death).
But to none of them was Elijah sent, save unto Sarepta, a city of Sidon (non-Israelite),
to a woman that was a widow.
And many lepers were in Israel in the time of Elishah the prophet; and none of them was cleansed,
saving Naaman the Syrian (non-Israelite).
And all they in the synagogue, when they heard these things, were filled with wrath, and rose up,
and thrust him out of the city, and led him unto the brow of the hill whereon their city was built,
that they might cast him down headlong." (Luke 5:25-29)

Without faith it is impossible to please God, faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

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Original post by NJA

It's the old-old story. So-called people of God were enraged when Jesus told how their calling to God made no difference because there was no actual faith (which comes from relationship with God):

"I tell you of a truth, many widows were in Israel in the days of Elijah,
when the heaven was shut up three years and six months, when great famine was throughout all the land;
But to none of them was Elijah sent, save unto Sarepta, a city of Sidon (non-Israelite),
to a woman that was a widow.
And many lepers were in Israel in the time of Elishah the prophet; and none of them was cleansed,
saving Naaman the Syrian(non-Israelite).
And all they in the synagogue, when they heard these things, were filled with wrath, and rose up,
and thrust him out of the city, and led him unto the brow of the hill whereon their city was built,
that they might cast him down headlong." (Luke 5:25-29)

Without faith it is impossible to please God, faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

For the third time, why have you not addressed my point that currently there is no cure for diabetes, like you claim?

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OP

Original post by Pectorac

For the third time, why have you not addressed my point that currently there is no cure for diabetes, like you claim?

I have messaged him to get any more details he may have on the diabetes bit.

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Original post by NJA

I have messaged him to get any more details he may have on the diabetes bit.

If he says he is cured, he is in denial and he is lying. Many diabetics deny they have the condition so they don't have to adjust their diet and inject themselves, even though by ignoring the problem they are damaging their bodies every day. There is no cure for diabetes in the world.

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PhoenixFire17

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Original post by NJA

It's the old-old story. So-called people of God were enraged when Jesus told how their calling to God made no difference because there was no actual faith (which comes from relationship with God):

"I tell you of a truth, many widows were in Israel in the days of Elijah,
when the heaven was shut up three years and six months, when great famine was throughout all the land;
(being a widow then in a time of famine basically meant death).
But to none of them was Elijah sent, save unto Sarepta, a city of Sidon (non-Israelite),
to a woman that was a widow.
And many lepers were in Israel in the time of Elishah the prophet; and none of them was cleansed,
saving Naaman the Syrian (non-Israelite).
And all they in the synagogue, when they heard these things, were filled with wrath, and rose up,
and thrust him out of the city, and led him unto the brow of the hill whereon their city was built,
that they might cast him down headlong." (Luke 5:25-29)

Without faith it is impossible to please God, faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

What kind of 'benevolent' god would be so narcissistic to only heal those who worship him? If a human had the ability to heal but only did so if he had constant praise and adoration, he would be a psychopathic maniac, not someone worth loving and a person to give all credit to for human accomplishments.

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OP

Original post by PhoenixFire17

What kind of 'benevolent' god would be so narcissistic to only heal those who worship him? If a human had the ability to heal but only did so if he had constant praise and adoration, he would be a psychopathic maniac, not someone worth loving and a person to give all credit to for human accomplishments.

As I mentioned in post # 9, most people's (and it seems your own) idea of what God wants is wrong.
He wants relationship, (which is why we need to receive His Spirit), then we really appreciate him and our thoughts, words, desires and expectations are changed.
This is true worship, not wearing yourself out repeating mantras you are not experiencing.

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PhoenixFire17

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Original post by NJA

As I mentioned in post # 9, most people's (and it seems your own) idea of what God wants is wrong.
He wants relationship, (which is why we need to receive His Spirit), then we really appreciate him and our thoughts, words, desires and expectations are changed.
This is true worship, not wearing yourself out repeating mantras you are not experiencing.

The same principle still applies - according to your religion, god chooses who lives and who dies based purely on their 'relationship' with him. If someone was dying way before their time, and although they were a wonderful person who had given their life to others, they believed in a different god or was an athiest, or they didn't have a good 'relationship' with him, would he still let them die, or would he save them?

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OP

Original post by PhoenixFire17

The same principle still applies - according to your religion, god chooses who lives and who dies based purely on their 'relationship' with him. If someone was dying way before their time, and although they were a wonderful person who had given their life to others, they believed in a different god or was an athiest, or they didn't have a good 'relationship' with him, would he still let them die, or would he save them?

Don't know if you can reduce a love relationship to a "principle".
There is "The Tree of Life" which Adam and Eve were given access to but they chose the alternative resulting in suffering and death.
"You reap what you sow" is a similar principle, what you believe in clearly affects your life.
Whatever you believe in & live by is your religion (even if you say "I'm not religious").

You can be a jolly person that goes out of their way to do charity events but who over-eats, drinks too much etc and generally believes in living for the moment, your goodness will not prevent dying younger than someone who is more restrained in these things.

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OP

Original post by Pectorac

If he says he is cured, he is in denial and he is lying. Many diabetics deny they have the condition so they don't have to adjust their diet and inject themselves, even though by ignoring the problem they are damaging their bodies every day. There is no cure for diabetes in the world.

I got a message back: he has a photo of the removed necrotic pancreas ... dysfunction or damage to the pancreas cells causes diabetes, let alone having it removed. The medical report is 174 pages and there is a mention of blood sugar tests which are normal range.

Is anything in that report going to convince you on the diabetes bit?

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