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Original post by Meenglishnogood
we didnt interfere with any islamist group, until they attacked the west anyway. the west rightly has responded to islamist terrorism, there could have been no other outcome.

in respect of ISIS specifically, they would continue their march of murder rape and taking salves in the middle east whether the west existed or not. it jsut so happens they hate the west too, just like

and again even if they didnt hate the west and create terrorism there would still be a moral argument for attacking them, because islamists are abhorent people, bands of murderers and rapists, that cause problems accross the globe and are infact a stain on human civilisation

Been living in a cave?
Original post by Jammy Duel
So you're telling me that a group that fights for religious reasons, is likely to pose a threat to the west if they aren't dealt with properly and who commit severe crimes against humanity are no worse than those who fight for political reasons and freedom? Ok? So what's your position on the French, Russian and American revolutionaries?


islamists are not 'revolutionaries' they are in fact the bane on modern human civilisation. they cause conflict without exception in pretty much every part of the world there are muslims. and the irony of it is, it is the muslim populations that suffer the most from their agendas. since they launched their 'war on the west' - count how many muslims they have gotten killed - human sacrifices.
Hamas use the same principle, sacrifice human pawns in the grander scheme of trying to seize levantine land from the jews and christians - (this is the age old islamic imperial agenda is it not) . muslim life is a worthless commodity in the islamists ultimate gameplan.

despite much of the world not really supporting israels actions, we all still recognise the problems in world caused by islamists - its only the muslim world that is brainwashed to not realise this reality
Original post by Meenglishnogood
islamists are not 'revolutionaries' they are in fact the bane on modern human civilisation. they cause conflict without exception in pretty much every part of the world there are muslims. and the irony of it is, it is the muslim populations that suffer the most from their agendas. since they launched their 'war on the west' - count how many muslims they have gotten killed - human sacrifices.
Hamas use the same principle, sacrifice human pawns in the grander scheme of trying to seize levantine land from the jews and christians - (this is the age old islamic imperial agenda is it not) . muslim life is a worthless commodity in the islamists ultimate gameplan.

despite much of the world not really supporting israels actions, we all still recognise the problems in world caused by islamists - its only the muslim world that is brainwashed to not realise this reality

So, clearly, any Muslims standing up to a figure of authority is a nasty Islamist. I guess you had fun during the Arab Spring?
And the funny thing is you say that they are trying to seize land, how did they lose it in the first place? Oh, yeah, the Jews came along and cried a bit.
Original post by Jammy Duel
So, clearly, any Muslims standing up to a figure of authority is a nasty Islamist. I guess you had fun during the Arab Spring? .
no, we are talking about the ideology of the islamist, nobody is standing up to authority - palestine is simply a land dispute based on religion- as hijacked by hamas and co. all other islamist involved conflicts follow this trend, because the ultimate aim of islamists has always been for land to be under 'islamic ' control. its a throw back to long time past islamic imperialsm.

arab spring was didnt necessarrily involve islamists, just youths demanding western style democracy co-ordinating on facebook.
Original post by Jammy Duel


And the funny thing is you say that they are trying to seize land, how did they lose it in the first place? Oh, yeah, the Jews came along and cried a bit.

to be histroically accurate, no the arabs lost that land a long time before, to the turks, who didnt give any arabs their own land.
the turks then lost it to the british, who then actually did give the arabs their homelands, inc mecca , they also gave the jews their homeland ( something islamsits cannot to this day accept)
Original post by Meenglishnogood
no, we are talking about the ideology of the islamist, nobody is standing up to authority - palestine is simply a land dispute based on religion-

So, if there is religion involved in the mix somewhere they become those evil Islamists you so hate?
Original post by Jammy Duel
So, if there is religion involved in the mix somewhere they become those evil Islamists you so hate?


not always, but in the case of islamists unfortunatly no good comes of their involvment. they try and shoehorn islamic dogma into modern political matters -generally by stirring up hatred
Original post by Meenglishnogood
not always, but in the case of islamists unfortunatly no good comes of their involvment. they try and shoehorn islamic dogma into modern political matters -generally by stirring up hatred

Well, you seem to do a very good job of roping Muslims into being Islamists if they're against anybody who isn't a Muslim.
Original post by Jammy Duel
Well, you seem to do a very good job of roping Muslims into being Islamists if they're against anybody who isn't a Muslim.


i have said many times on this and other threads that islamists have control over the minds of vast numbers of muslims, and they also set the political agendas. e see very often on tsr, even on this thread various muslims spouting parrot fashion the mantras of islamists, so we know their control is far -reaching in the muslim population. why else do you think british muslims are so easily recruited to go fight their wars for them in iraq, afganistan syria and paelstine. so essentially any conflict where a muslim group is fighting with a non muslim group has some influence of islamists there.
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Original post by Meenglishnogood
i have said many times on this and other threads that islamists have control over the minds of vast numbers of muslims, and they also set the political agendas. e see very often on tsr, even on this thread various muslims spouting parrot fashion the mantras of islamists, so we know their control is far -reaching in the muslim population. why else do you think british muslims are so easily recruited to go fight their wars for them in iraq, afganistan syria and paelstine. so essentially any conflict where a muslim group is fighting with a non muslim group has some influence of islamists there.

Because there are a lot of idiots and gullible saps out there? For a start, most devout religious people.
Original post by Meenglishnogood
we didnt interfere with any islamist group, until they attacked the west anyway. the west rightly has responded to islamist terrorism, there could have been no other outcome.


The West supported Islamist movements for quite a while in the Cold War as they were seen as a tool to use against both Arab nationalism and far-left groups aligned with the Soviets.

Islamists (well, at least Sunni Islamists) didn't really turn against the US until the early 1990s. Indeed, 9/11 dramatically altered Western perceptions of what 'terrorism' meant - before this the stereotype of terrorists would have been paramilitaries in Northern Ireland (for Brits), ETA (for Spaniards and Western Europeans in general), or Timothy McVeigh (for Americans).
Original post by Jammy Duel
Because there are a lot of idiots and gullible saps out there? For a start, most devout religious people.


indeed- and these are the sort of people most likely to swallow false islamist propaganda. some of which i have seen infact used on thi s thread
Original post by anarchism101
The West supported Islamist movements for quite a while in the Cold War as they were seen as a tool to use against both Arab nationalism and far-left groups aligned with the Soviets.

Islamists (well, at least Sunni Islamists) didn't really turn against the US until the early 1990s. Indeed, 9/11 dramatically altered Western perceptions of what 'terrorism' meant - before this the stereotype of terrorists would have been paramilitaries in Northern Ireland (for Brits), ETA (for Spaniards and Western Europeans in general), or Timothy McVeigh (for Americans).

no they would have always be regarded as terrorist - but the reality was islamists were not on the USAs radar, they were unimportant. 9/11 wasnt the first attack on usa, pre-cursors to al queda attacked us targets nearly 10 years before. and islamist terrorists had been operating for some time previous in various places, kashmir for example, somalia, and of course palestine.
Original post by Meenglishnogood
we didnt interfere with any islamist group, until they attacked the west anyway. the west rightly has responded to islamist terrorism, there could have been no other outcome.


So we didn't remove Mossadegh? We didn't go in and try to replace regimes with more trade friendly dictators? We didn't give tacit support/approval to Sisi to stage a coup?

in respect of ISIS specifically, they would continue their march of murder rape and taking salves in the middle east whether the west existed or not. it jsut so happens they hate the west too, just like


How is that any of our concern?

We don't get nothing, apart from attacks on our own shores, if we try and interfere with the affairs of another country.

and again even if they didnt hate the west and create terrorism there would still be a moral argument for attacking them, because islamists are abhorent people, bands of murderers and rapists, that cause problems accross the globe and are infact a stain on human civilisation


And it is exactly that kind of ****ing attitude which has got us here in this mess in the first place.

Our MP's represent US, not the global populace. Of course, you may have an argument after we get our own country straight, but that's only when we get our own country straight.

We should lead by example. Not impose our way of life, our concepts and notions on another group of people 7000km away. We do not elect our leaders to do that.
Original post by tsr1269
So we didn't remove Mossadegh? We didn't go in and try to replace regimes with more trade friendly dictators? We didn't give tacit support/approval to Sisi to stage a coup?



How is that any of our concern?

We don't get nothing, apart from attacks on our own shores, if we try and interfere with the affairs of another country.



And it is exactly that kind of ****ing attitude which has got us here in this mess in the first place.

Our MP's represent US, not the global populace. Of course, you may have an argument after we get our own country straight, but that's only when we get our own country straight.

We should lead by example. Not impose our way of life, our concepts and notions on another group of people 7000km away. We do not elect our leaders to do that.


"not impose our way of life"-like the islamists are trying to do where ever they go you mean? what ever you are bitching about the west, islamist agendas are 10, 20 maybe 100 times worse.
Original post by tsr1269


How is that any of our concern?

We don't get nothing, apart from attacks on our own shores, if we try and interfere with the affairs of another country.



it is of concern for all the reasons i mentioned above - humanitarian, stopping a bunch of rabid murderers and rapists trying to impose their islamic ideology on others.
but apart form that britain , amoung other european states are actually a source for a lot of these terrorists, so we have to be proactive in the fight against terrorism, mainly against IS, but with a mind too targettting britains muslims that may plan to go and commit terrorism in gaza/israel
Original post by Meenglishnogood
"not impose our way of life"-like the islamists are trying to do where ever they go you mean? what ever you are bitching about the west, islamist agendas are 10, 20 maybe 100 times worse.


We are imposing our way of life. Our concepts, out notions, our sense of freedom on people who have no understanding, no desire, no wish to be like us.

You are voting for a party based on their manifesto which deals with things 7000km away but you should be doing it based on the policies that they want to implement domestically.

I'd be willing to give my right arm to say that people like you would overlook the actions of a totalitarian regime if it meant a few more Islamists's skulls being bashed in and that is a truly reprehensible manifestation of your character.

Original post by Meenglishnogood
it is of concern for all the reasons i mentioned above - humanitarian, stopping a bunch of rabid murderers and rapists trying to impose their islamic ideology on others.
but apart form that britain , amoung other european states are actually a source for a lot of these terrorists, so we have to be proactive in the fight against terrorism, mainly against IS, but with a mind too targettting britains muslims that may plan to go and commit terrorism in gaza/israel


But you do not seem to understand that it is because we are trying to impose our way of life on them, that they are rejecting it and rebelling against it.


Think of it as an organ donation. There are compatible organ donors and non-compatible organ donors. What would your body do if you tried to replace an organ with a healthy non-compatible organ?

The body would reject it. The antibodies would fight against it and eventually the patient would crash.


Our concepts, notions and ideals, however great or healthy they are, are not compatible with the lifestyle of those that live in Arabia and North Africa. These are "Western concepts" and they should stay in the West, until such a time when they can become global.
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Original post by tsr1269
We are imposing our way of life. Our concepts, out notions, our sense of freedom on people who have no understanding, no desire, no wish to be like us. .
no we are not. you are quoting cases from 1955, there have no relevance anymore to today. todays fight is againt the spread of islamsit ideology, of their mass murders, killing cvililans, terrorisim, rape, slavery etc etc. it is not he West fight, asia is on our side in this fight, the russians, the chinese, african states etc etc and indeed israel all are taking the fight to islamists - you convienently ignore this fact. it is human civilisation that is fighting against this evil, not simply us.

Original post by tsr1269


You are voting for a party based on their manifesto which deals with things 7000km away but you should be doing it based on the policies that they want to implement domestically..
you are advocating a political figure (galloway) that campaigns in uk purley to the muslim population on the back of palestine he takes his orders ( and salaries) from arabs 7000 km away. normal uk politics ls is entirely inward focusses, the ukis the primary concern, not some arabs age-old obsession to steal land of the jews in the middle east. We only concern ourself with foreign issues, when they make threats to our way of life, - which islamic terrorists do. Just like any other society would do, simple as , dont really see what you are struggling to understand




Original post by tsr1269

I'd be willing to give my right arm to say that people like you would overlook the actions of a totalitarian regime if it meant a few more Islamists's skulls being bashed in and that is a truly reprehensible manifestation of your character. .


. im my personal opinion i dont really care what these societies do with ir crazy borders themselves, as long as it doesnt affect outside their own crazy borders. i only advocating killing islamists, becuase they are purely barbaric animals with a primitive mentality- you only need to see what they are doing under the banner of IS in syria and iraq - and that they hate western ( and in reality all Non-islamic) socciety and therefore try and to target it. the rest of the world will not stand for islamist aggression, this is not the dark ages, the rest of the world is perfectly capable and willing to use all means to defend its way of life. that goes for israel too.
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But you do not seem to understand that it is because we are trying to impose our way of life on them, that they are rejecting it and rebelling against it. how does that apply to syria or iraq even - iraqis wanted the right to vote and they also wanted saddam gone ( who was btw another one of the US puppets - funny you didnt complain about that one)

Original post by tsr1269

Think of it as an organ donation. There are compatible organ donors and non-compatible organ donors. What would your body do if you tried to replace an organ with a healthy non-compatible organ?

The body would reject it. The antibodies would fight against it and eventually the patient would crash. .
islamists are not antibodies, they are viruses and bacteria

Original post by tsr1269

Our concepts, notions and ideals, however great or healthy they are, are not compatible with the lifestyle of those that live in Arabia and North Africa. These are "Western concepts" and they should stay in the West, until such a time when they can become global.


i dont care about the lifestyles in arabia. but you are trying to pretend that all people in middle east want a fully islamic lifestyle - they dont that is fact ... they have more invested in western culture than you can imagine . that is without accounting for the economic ties that puts food on their tables. IS , Hamas, al shabab etc etc and all islamist groups have to forcibly take control of their regions militarily, they are not invited to rule. its simply that the general muslim population is too spineless to do anything about islamist warlords, they jsut follow sheepishly - and leave it for the rest fo the world to deal with the problems they have created, that spill over outside their borders
Original post by Meenglishnogood
no we are not. you are quoting cases from 1955, there have no relevance anymore to today. todays fight is againt the spread of islamsit ideology, of their mass murders, killing cvililans, terrorisim, rape, slavery etc etc. it is not he West fight, asia is on our side in this fight, the russians, the chinese, african states etc etc and indeed israel all are taking the fight to islamists - you convienently ignore this fact. it is human civilisation that is fighting against this evil, not simply us.


We are imposing our notion of what it is to be "human" on these people.

you are advocating a political figure (galloway) that campaigns in uk purley to the muslim population on the back of palestine he takes his orders ( and salaries) from arabs 7000 km away. normal uk politics ls is entirely inward focusses, the ukis the primary concern, not some arabs age-old obsession to steal land of the jews in the middle east. We only concern ourself with foreign issues, when they make threats to our way of life, - which islamic terrorists do. Just like any other society would do, simple as , dont really see what you are struggling to understand


And they do so because we impose or attempt to impose our way of life on them.

It's sad that you don't seem to get it.

. im my personal opinion i dont really care what these societies do with ir crazy borders themselves, as long as it doesnt affect outside their own crazy borders. i only advocating killing islamists, becuase they are purely barbaric animals with a primitive mentality- you only need to see what they are doing under the banner of IS in syria and iraq - and that they hate western ( and in reality all Non-islamic) socciety and therefore try and to target it. the rest of the world will not stand for islamist aggression, this is not the dark ages, the rest of the world is perfectly capable and willing to use all means to defend its way of life. that goes for israel too.


And when the dust settles, there shall be none who will not call you a hypocrite...

islamists are not antibodies, they are viruses and bacteria


Exactly! You've got it! They are trying to reject the non-compatible healthy organ.

i dont care about the lifestyles in arabia. but you are trying to pretend that all people in middle east want a fully islamic lifestyle - they dont that is fact ... they have more invested in western culture than you can imagine . that is without accounting for the economic ties that puts food on their tables. IS , Hamas, al shabab etc etc and all islamist groups have to forcibly take control of their regions militarily, they are not invited to rule. its simply that the general muslim population is too spineless to do anything about islamist warlords, they jsut follow sheepishly - and leave it for the rest fo the world to deal with the problems they have created, that spill over outside their borders


Ah yes, our "allies" in the region. Interesting read, huh? The same guys who have so much "invested" in the West are actually the ones funding the Islamists.

Isn't it ironic that the Islamists (Saudi Arabia) are funding the Islamists (IS) but we are only concentrating on the Islamists (IS) whilst holding the Islamists (Saudi Arabia) as allies?

They'll smile for the cameras, invest their money, play with you, entertain you in their palaces but they will never be on the same page as you. They are true to their own beliefs and nothing else. Friends, allies, buddies means nothing to them. It's their way or the highway and the sooner we realise what snakes they are, the better.
Original post by tsr1269
We are imposing our notion of what it is to be "human" on these people..


no we arnt. no sane human would think murder rape and slavery as practiced by islamic state is good. it is evil

Original post by tsr1269
And they do so because we impose or attempt to impose our way of life on them.


. again no , you dont seem to get this point through your skull - ISIS and other islamists hate all non-islamic society, they want to impose islam, they dont want to live under non islamic societies, not without conflcit anyway. we are not imposing our way of life on ISIS, and yet they still go around murdering. it is in their nature

there are sunni islamists and shia ones. there agendas extend back long before the 'West' as a power existed. their gripes are nothing to do with us, they want the freedom to continue their islamic wars with each other and also the non -muslims in the middle east ( jews mainly) and dont care if the world burns i the meantime. the West and East are the force that prevents that from happeneing

Original post by tsr1269


And when the dust settles, there shall be none who will not call you a hypocrite... .


eh?


Original post by tsr1269

Exactly! You've got it! They are trying to reject the non-compatible healthy organ. .

your are getting your analagies confused - viruses didnt belong there in the first place, they invaded and took over


Original post by tsr1269

Ah yes, our "allies" in the region. Interesting read, huh? The same guys who have so much "invested" in the West are actually the ones funding the Islamists.

Isn't it ironic that the Islamists (Saudi Arabia) are funding the Islamists (IS) but we are only concentrating on the Islamists (IS) whilst holding the Islamists (Saudi Arabia) as allies? . it si not interesting or ironic it is simply the stupidity of various western politicians that have hitched their wagon to the arab oil tanker for the last 30 years. do you not understand the intracies of international politics and economic relationships? that same oil carrot was used with the likes of william hague and other idiots to try convince uk public to side with isis and other scum like them to fight against Assad. im glad parliement shut that down and Hague has now crawled off tail between his legs.


and im glad at least despite this oil hungry attitude west has, we can still see right from wrong- to the extent we will no longer support saudi and its arab satellites islamist agendas by bombing their spawned slime IS

the reality of that situation is , i predict, that our oil dependancy on the arabs will drop over time, with south america, india, nigeria all becomeing much bigger players in oil production, and indeed oil itself becoming less important. I even predict Iran and syria becoming more uk -friendly - who knows may reverse their oil embargo


Original post by tsr1269

They'll smile for the cameras, invest their money, play with you, entertain you in their palaces but they will never be on the same page as you. They are true to their own beliefs and nothing else. Friends, allies, buddies means nothing to them. It's their way or the highway and the sooner we realise what snakes they are, the better.

i already know that islamists are snakes -. equally you are ignorant if you think that the west is not aware of saudi and arabs involvement with islamist groups. they tolerate it (for the moment) for convienence but at the same time attack their terrorist factions. without the oil trade, the arabs would be nothing, still be living in tents with their camels. they need interaction with the outside world too, particulalry the west. they certainly wouldnt be able to fund islamists like IS, Hamas, etc etc and hunt their islamist goals.
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How they justify genocide.
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