The Israel/Palestine Conflict Mk. IV

There was never ever going to be peace. What first maybe had been political and demographic issues have developed into cultural and religious clashes. For example I have Muslim friends who hate Jews so much, have been racist and discriminative since the first day I have met them. The hatred on both sides is ingrained in their minds and bloodline so lasting peace is pointless effort. But let's say peace was achieved. The occurrence of ISIS in the region had destabilised the Middle East so much that if it reached the borders of Israel which many predict will happen, the whole region will be engulfed in war once more.

Your Muslim friends aren't living under occupation, oppression, blockade and the constant threat of death, of course a lifetime of someone ****ing on you breeds hatred, but if you offer these people a future for them and their children they will take it in a heartbeat.

But the west has accepted 10s of millions of Muslims from war torn countries, dictatorships and economically poor nations yet still Muslims hate the west, hate western ideals and a good handful want to destroy it. I know loads of Muslims always moaning about the EU, North America, South America, same old stuff you know.

My point is if allowing them to settle in our society(which is near impossible the other way around) is not working what good will Israel pandering to Hamas do. If they fight Hamas they will be hated, if they do not fight Hamas they will still be hated. Seriously what good has tolerance and handing benefits, houses, education, healthcare, democracy done for us accept make terrorism at one of its most dangerous levels. You can not reason with them.

Muslim integration in the UK is an entirely separate issue that has little to do with Israel and Palestine. The point of a solution to the conflict is not to pander to Hamas, but to offer peace and freedom to millions of people who currently have neither.

Which, in the short term, would easiest come by pandering to Hamas and forcing Israel to withdraw from the West Bank.

Muslim integration in the UK is an entirely separate issue that has little to do with Israel and Palestine. The point of a solution to the conflict is not to pander to Hamas, but to offer peace and freedom to millions of people who currently have neither.

I don't really see that as pandering to Hamas tbh, more just the most logical and moral cause of action.

Well discussions into long term peace can only proceed when a new power is instated in Palestine. Because Hamas will not hold presidential elections and have eradicated all democracy then either the people of Palestine topple the government or Israel. Hamas is a designated terrorist organisation by most international bodies and nations. Long term peace is pointless as they have made their motive clear.

And while Israel continues to annex land, blockade Gaza and bomb Palestinians the support for Hamas will only grow, Hamas only has power because Israel provides an environment that breeds extremism.

I'm sure that's the narrative you tell yourself. Deep down, you hope that fighting terror causes more terror, whereas Hamas is actually less popular than ever before.

Prior to the most recent Gaza conflict, Hamas' popularity was down to about 1/3rd of the Gaza population, and even less in West Bank. They had higher levels of support while Protective Edge was in play, but after the end of the conflict it seems they are even less popular than before it started. They see they have been subjected to a devastating war, and Hamas obtained no real concessions. They did it for nothing. The likely outcome of this conflict is that Hamas will be out of power within the year and the PA wil return to control of Gaza. In which case, Israel has played its cards well.

But Israel has always played its cards well. Israel plays the ancient Mid East politics game better than the Arabs ever have.

Absolutely nowhere has it been reported that Hamas' support has dropped after the latest conflict, every news outlet has reported quite the opposite

I suppose if all you consume is RT, you probably would miss out on serious analysis and news.

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No, as it wouldn't work.

So what do you think should be done lol?

One state solution with a right of return to all Palestinian refugees as well as monetary compensation paid to those who do not wish to return.

We shall let democracy take it's course.

And the Jews get turfed out and left at the mercy of Hamas (who would presumably govern a state of Palestine?)