The Arsenal Thread XX

I decided not to take you seriously once you said Ozil isn't a great player. You either do not watch football or do not appreciate the beautiful game. Also, incredibly, you managed to contradict yourself in the same paragraph. How can you say Ozil's game needs a fast player then say he isn't that great anyway after admitting Giroud is not the type of player he can play with?

I agree Ozil hasn't been playing great though. Mainly due to him being played out of position and when he is played in position he doesn't have much options. Welbeck will flourish if Ozil is given the chance to play behind him, and as long his finishing skills improve, guaranteed.

Nah Jam man, you're wrong here. Sanchez is a top player, no doubt about it. I just felt Arsenal relied on Sanchez too much today, most of their attacks sprung from Sanchez, especially those little dribbles from him, he looked dangerous. Ozil is nowhere to be seen at the moment, a shadow of a player from the 2010 World Cup and when he was at Real Madrid. Wenger NEEDS to play Ozil as an central AM, not out wide. He needs to support Sanchez more.

Yes, I did not say that this was not the case. If you read what I said earlier today and not jumped to conclusions I was saying what is the point of winning a free kick that you're then going to essentially gift back to the opposition with an atrocious ball into the box?


Yes, I am probably comparing Sanchez to Hazard which is harsh but Arsenal want to win titles, their best AMs and wingers should be as good as the top teams best AMs and wingers and in other positions, if not then Arsenal have to spend a bit of money. If they don't have a guy who's capable of changing a game round as well as the other top teams then they need to get one...

Ozil isn't that great a player...

Great players should be able to adapt and not be a liability in every big game they play in(even at Madrid he was a liability in big games to the point that Di Maria had to play as an AM at times like vs Bayern) Great players should also be able to play in various tactics and various systems and be able to be good at it. The top players like Hazard, Robben, Ribery, Bale, Ronaldo, Messi(for Argentina) have played in games where their game is not suited to yet they have shown that they can still show a spark. Ozil doesn't show that at all in fact he shows the exact opposite(see Bayern game at Emirates)

Ozil hasn't been playing great for 8 months and he wasn't playing out of position last season for Arsenal so don't get where you got that from... He has options in Sanchez, Walcott, Chamberlain who suit his game. Last season he had Ramsey and Chamberlain who suited his game...

Being too harsh imo. It's obvious Hazard is better than Sanchez, so there shouldn't be comparisons made. What is more evident is Arsenal's style of play, they're playing like Chelsea did last season. Way too many passes around the box and no real penetration, no real killer through ball made. Hazard ultimately bailed us out last season with his goals and assists. Hazard is clearly worth £60m right now I'd say.

Typical Chelsea fans. What has Hazard done to warrant a 60m price tag? Failed in the CL knockout stages, anonymous in the WC and had a very poor scoring record last season, considering he scored a lot of penalties whilst Lampard didn't play. Yet he's the same price as Di Maria (who is also overpriced)?

Ozil isn't that great a player...

Great players should be able to adapt and not be a liability in every big game they play in(even at Madrid he was a liability in big games to the point that Di Maria had to play as an AM at times like vs Bayern) Great players should also be able to play in various tactics and various systems and be able to be good at it. The top players like Hazard, Robben, Ribery, Bale, Ronaldo, Messi(for Argentina) have played in games where their game is not suited to yet they have shown that they can still show a spark. Ozil doesn't show that at all in fact he shows the exact opposite(see Bayern game at Emirates)

Ozil hasn't been playing great for 8 months and he wasn't playing out of position last season for Arsenal so don't get where you got that from... He has options in Sanchez, Walcott, Chamberlain who suit his game. Last season he had Ramsey and Chamberlain who suited his game...

Hazard? Don't mention his name in the same paragraph as Ronaldo, Messi, Bale, Robben please. Also he is not a top player. Barely turned up in the CL knockout stages last season (apart from a penalty in Paris) and was completely anonymous for Belgium at the WC.

Firstly and most importantly Ozil has been playing LW ever since Bayern (A), so invalid statement from you. Walcott has been out since Jan 2014 and Chamberlain very rarely plays, and when he does he tends to play CM. And ever since Sanchez has been at the club Ozil has not played CAM once, so again invalid.

Ozil is NOT a liability. And please don't even try and say he doesn't 'track back' it's incredibly silly and is a term used by people who watch highlights on MOTD and like to think they know stuff, and in fact Ozil has been Arsenal's most creative outlet over the past 12 months.

Silva and Mata can't exactly adapt either, and I'd say both are great players. Not saying Ozil is or isn't, but you don't need to be flexible to be great.

Think I mentioned it before, but Hazard ran the show today btw.

Arsenal did well yesterday, it's progress that you didn't get beat after how you performed against the top teams last season.
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What with a 1-1 draw vs City last season at the exact same fixture?

Meh, all the top 6 games I remember last season that Arsenal played in involved them getting battered 3-0, 5-1 etc so in my mind that would mean yesterday was a positive, even at home.

As I said though in my last post, think they looked decent yesterday but then have been bad in the other 3 games. So think they're way off competing

Silva can adapt. Mata to an extent is still a good creative outlet(e.g. playing on LW in 2012) but Mata is a bit suspect defensively, Mata still has shown that as a left winger he is a top player and has played in a park bus counter attacking style before(vs Barcelona) while being great at possession. He's decent at tracking back but not Mourinho decent which lets be honest is more than most managers. Silva is a beast, Mata gets the numbers but Silva manipulates the ball in a way that's second to only Iniesta. Mata obviously effects the game more directly.

Hazard did run the show, amazing player we have here.

Neither of them can do anything other than play that 'AM role without defensive duties' tbh. Silva is just but he can't defend for **** either. Doubt mourinho would put up with him

So ****ing wrong about costa :| Although, at least I can say I told you so on markovic.

http://www.espnfc.com/borussia-dortmund/story/2034453/jurgen-klopp-of-borussia-dortmund-may-consider-premier-league-job-in-future

Reckon We'll get Klopp after Wenger goes?

Anyway. Anyone who says Ozil tracks back defensively enough and was played out of position last season, clearly is watching the wrong sport.


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