Doctor Who - Discussion Thread III (no untagged future spoilers)

Wasn't all that interesting. Even though I saw the cybermen in the thumbnail (great job BBC) it was a surprise to see that logo of their eye thing appear when they closed the door. Then it ruined the moment by putting the Russell T Davis cyberman music in.

Also, unless they're lying about people being concious while dead, that concept makes no sense. People feel pain because of their nervous system. If their nerves have rotted, decomposed or disconnected due to the body being dead, then how does someone feel pain? Also how are the people in the matrix thing able to maintain a connection to their bodies? I know Doctor Who uses fictional and/or questionable concepts and actions but this just sounds incredibly retarded.

Oh and it's in London present day at the end as well. Wow. And no-one cares about anything. I liked how she was just sat on the floor and he didn't do anything. You could try subduing her or something?

This felt so ... lame. It was hilarious how it finished with just six cybermen walking and no-one of the public cared at all. I knew that secondary 'twist' was coming and I was so disappointed I was hoping they'd either use an actual Time Lady or do something new which could add to the whole Galifrey story, but when she revealed her identity, so disappointing.

I really dislike the idea that people can change genders when regenerating because it's never happened in Doctor Who other than for satirical purposes in that Rowan Atkinson comic relief show. If they have as much change of changing gender, or race if someone wants to randomly force that on the scenario in the future, then explain why the Doctor has stayed male and white the entire show. My interpretation is that he can only stay the one race and the one gender his whole life. Please don't **** about with that.

There wasn't a lot of weight to her anyway, I found her to be a lame 'villain' and seeing her before at the end of all those other episodes they threw her in so they can technically call this a 'series arch', she came across as just some random contrived villain who espouses quirky dialogue like 'lol you're in heaven now'. There wasn't a sense of mysteriousness about it, more like 'ok Steven Moffat just get it over with'. I never once cared about those random scenes they threw in, usually I'd care about what certain things mean.

I feel my brain became stupid enough to not warrant emotions just by watching this.

Wasn't all that interesting. Even though I saw the cybermen in the thumbnail (great job BBC) it was a surprise to see that logo of their eye thing appear when they closed the door. Then it ruined the moment by putting the Russell T Davis cyberman music in.

Also, unless they're lying about people being concious while dead, that concept makes no sense. People feel pain because of their nervous system. If their nerves have rotted, decomposed or disconnected due to the body being dead, then how does someone feel pain? Also how are the people in the matrix thing able to maintain a connection to their bodies? I know Doctor Who uses fictional and/or questionable concepts and actions but this just sounds incredibly retarded.

Oh and it's in London present day at the end as well. Wow. And no-one cares about anything. I liked how she was just sat on the floor and he didn't do anything. You could try subduing her or something?

This felt so ... lame. It was hilarious how it finished with just six cybermen walking and no-one of the public cared at all. I knew that secondary 'twist' was coming and I was so disappointed I was hoping they'd either use an actual Time Lady or do something new which could add to the whole Galifrey story, but when she revealed her identity, so disappointing.

I really dislike the idea that people can change genders when regenerating because it's never happened in Doctor Who other than for satirical purposes in that Rowan Atkinson comic relief show. If they have as much change of changing gender, or race if someone wants to randomly force that on the scenario in the future, then explain why the Doctor has stayed male and white the entire show. My interpretation is that he can only stay the one race and the one gender his whole life. Please don't **** about with that.

There wasn't a lot of weight to her anyway, I found her to be a lame 'villain' and seeing her before at the end of all those other episodes they threw her in so they can technically call this a 'series arch', she came across as just some random contrived villain who espouses quirky dialogue like 'lol you're in heaven now'. There wasn't a sense of mysteriousness about it, more like 'ok Steven Moffat just get it over with'. I never once cared about those random scenes they threw in, usually I'd care about what certain things mean.

I feel my brain became stupid enough to not warrant emotions just by watching this.





That's not even what anyone is complaining about. They clearly stated that changing from a man to a woman is retarded because the Doctor has been so consistently white and male throughout the show, and so has the Master. And even if he wanted a sex change like real life human transgendered people, neither character would wait 900 years or whatever to get that procedure done just to feel like they're in the right body.

The Cybermen just strolling out and the public not blinking an eye was just insane. It gets worse. There are pictures of the next episode online *snip*

That's a spoiler. PLEASE put it in spoiler tags. It may be only a small plot point but the policy in this thread is pretty freaking clear.

The public have no idea what the cybermen are, they obviously think they're harmless. And if this happened in real life, people would start taking selfies.

That's not even what anyone is complaining about. They clearly stated that changing from a man to a woman is retarded because the Doctor has been so consistently white and male throughout the show, and so has the Master. And even if he wanted a sex change like real life human transgendered people, neither character would wait 900 years or whatever to get that procedure done just to feel like they're in the right body.

I don't think they would. I don't think people would run away but taking selfies with em? nah.

Most people wouldn't, but I reckon there's a hell of a lot of teenagers who would .

well for a kick off, "retarded" is ableist language so please don't use it.

for another they've hinted that time lords can change gender before so I don't see the big deal, it's regeneration as a concept as well, no reason they would HAVE to always be the same gender/ethnicity/etc.

well that's not necessarily true either, some transgender people do wait a long time before transitioning, so really the only reason to get upset about this that I can see of is some kind of insecurities of your own about the idea of a female master, which is just sad really on the part of those that have it imho.

The public have no idea what the cybermen are, they obviously think they're harmless. And if this happened in real life, people would start taking selfies.

The thing is, how heavy are they? How strong? Would they push someone over? Will they wait for loads of people to start taking pictures before acting like Doctor Who villains? Would they come across as guys in plastic suits if cybermen actually existed? Would everyone get put off by those hydraulic sounds when they step?

Again, it sounds like an awful idea for an episode to have people posing with Doctor Who villains in the context of the narrative.

The thing is, how heavy are they? How strong? Would they push someone over? Will they wait for loads of people to start taking pictures before acting like Doctor Who villains? Would they come across as guys in plastic suits if cybermen actually existed? Would everyone get put off by those hydraulic sounds when they step?

Again, it sounds like an awful idea for an episode to have people posing with Doctor Who villains in the context of the narrative.

It means regressive, how is it 'ableist', if that's the new ism of the day?

Except there's no reason why it's never happened to the Doctor. We've not been shown an example of this ever in the series, nor anything like 'oh there's like a small change you swap race/gender for a regeneration'.

It's no accident they've all been white and male, outside the fact that the show is British but in the context of the narrative there'd be more races than was portrayed to appeal to the majority of the population. They can't just say 'Time Lord can always swap gender' when it's never been the case with the Doctor. If you pick 12 humans at random they aren't going to be the same race or gender this is supposedly is how the regeneration face is chosen; at random.

It's not an insecurity, it's a blatant disregard for continuity. If people can swap race or gender, then we would've seen that in the show with a fair-ish distribution of race and genders of each Doctor, or at least not see it so concentrated on white male versions, and we haven't. It's people making stuff up that makes no sense.

Totally agree. I wouldn't put it past them next series to have people invite Daleks over for a game of FIFA or something, just to further trivialise the major villains

Oh it's definitely an awful idea to have them trying to take selfies, I was just saying that it would definitely happen irl. Before they started killing everyone, anyway.

It means regressive, how is it 'ableist', if that's the new ism of the day?




Except there's no reason why it's never happened to the Doctor. We've not been shown an example of this ever in the series, nor anything like 'oh there's like a small change you swap race/gender for a regeneration'.

It's no accident they've all been white and male, outside the fact that the show is British but in the context of the narrative there'd be more races than was portrayed to appeal to the majority of the population. They can't just say 'Time Lord can always swap gender' when it's never been the case with the Doctor. If you pick 12 humans at random they aren't going to be the same race or gender this is supposedly is how the regeneration face is chosen; at random.




It's not an insecurity, it's a blatant disregard for continuity. If people can swap race or gender, then we would've seen that in the show with a fair-ish distribution of race and genders of each Doctor, or at least not see it so concentrated on white male versions, and we haven't. It's people making stuff up that makes no sense.

Am I using it as a slur? Who am I aiming it at?

"Quite possibly we've written something into the series which should technically have occurred before but is only happening now because we're writing it into the series now"

And I never said anything which indicates otherwise. It also never indicates whether it's a rarity or not.

Funnily enough it is possible to jump the shark in fiction. Disregard for continuity? That Time Lords can change gender. It's a rarity? Well then the writers should state this. They can't just throw a completely new concept upon us as a twist, expect it to have any emotional value and expect us to take it seriously.