Doctor Who - Discussion Thread III (no untagged future spoilers)

As far as I'm aware, everytime there has been a Cyberman invasion in London there has been some sort of alternate universe fix that stops it from ever happening. I could be forgetting one though, which particular episode did you mean?

Aye Army of Ghosts/Doomsday.

I still think that it might not actually be the 'real' London.

Ahh yes, as someone else pointed out everyone had forgotten about that due to the cracks in the universe. It's not really an explanation, but I think it's the best you'll get .

I think Moffat is a great writer but this series has been disappointing to say the least. I just have one question, at they very end of the last episode when Danny is about to press delete we see the reflection of someone else's face in the iPad. Who was that??

If this finale doesn't lead into or have some kind of link to the return of the Time Lords then I'm going to start getting annoyed. What was the point in retconning the whole "last of the Time Lords" thing if the Time Lords will never come back?

I suppose this is what Steven Moffat calls an "arc"- mentioning something once and then expanding on it three series later.

I think Moffat is an appallingly 1 dimensional writer who's being found out for the hack he is. The same episodes again and again. The same overly witty, borderline cringey dialogue and sharp exchanges every episode. The same recycled, half baked plotlines each episode. And then the loose, unfulfilled plot strands like the crack etc. It seems he has these ideas, runs with them but then realises there is no coherent end to them so a half baked ending is inserted.

This isn't justified. He makes a mess of Dr who on the whole, although with the odd exceptional episode, but he's done fantastic work in Sherlock.

Not disputing the fact Sherlock is very well written. But the gaping similarities between the 2 episodes dialogue just scream "Well, Sherlock works. Let's copy and paste". The short sharp exchanges, the humour, the dynamic between the characters is just copied and pasted. It works in Sherlock, it does not work in Doctor Who. That is 1 dimensional for me, when similarities become lazy copying. I get it, he writes Sherlock so there will be similarities and he can't just erase all ideas stemming from Sherlock's dialogue, but Christ man at least give us something fresh. Don't rehash the dialogue of the superior series and hope it works.

I can't comment on the dialogue. But the character relationships of both shows seem pretty different to me.

Moffat is a good writer, but in a way his talent gets in the way of writing a coherent story. It's all character, character, character, and the plot is an after thought. This actually worked well early in the series with episodes like "Listen", but two of his three characters are really bad, politically correct feminist gender constructions that don't remotely resemble human beings, the plots and storylines are rushed into and not thought about, and most of the time are just ridiculous and broken. The kind of fast, off beat, piffy style that seems to work in Sherlock is not compatable with the Dr Who narrative style. It's like he's imitating the Tarantino style, without the coherence, complexity or depth, and it just comes off as rushed.

Ooh imagine a double-episode written & directed by Tarantino. I'd pay mega bucks to see that happen!

I think Moffat is a great writer but this series has been disappointing to say the least. I just have one question, at they very end of the last episode when Danny is about to press delete we see the reflection of someone else's face in the iPad. Who was that??

Moffat is a good writer, but in a way his talent gets in the way of writing a coherent story. It's all character, character, character, and the plot is an after thought. This actually worked well early in the series with episodes like "Listen", but two of his three characters are really bad, politically correct feminist gender constructions that don't remotely resemble human beings, the plots and storylines are rushed into and not thought about, and most of the time are just ridiculous and broken. The kind of fast, off beat, piffy style that seems to work in Sherlock is not compatable with the Dr Who narrative style. It's like he's imitating the Tarantino style, without the coherence, complexity or depth, and it just comes off as rushed.

I think Moffat is an appallingly 1 dimensional writer who's being found out for the hack he is. The same episodes again and again. The same overly witty, borderline cringey dialogue and sharp exchanges every episode. The same recycled, half baked plotlines each episode. And then the loose, unfulfilled plot strands like the crack etc. It seems he has these ideas, runs with them but then realises there is no coherent end to them so a half baked ending is inserted.

This isn't justified. He makes a mess of Dr who on the whole, although with the odd exceptional episode, but he's done fantastic work in Sherlock.

Am I the only one who thinks this series has been a huge improvement compared to basically all of Matt Smith's series? Maybe it is just because the tone is a bit less childish (most of the time) but the only episode I've thought was absolutely terrible this series was the first one, which I think is one of Doctor Who's worst episodes. I'm not saying it is amazing but I feel it has improved. The Dalek episode was one of the best in years I think and last weeks was pretty good too.

Am I the only one who thinks this series has been a huge improvement compared to basically all of Matt Smith's series? Maybe it is just because the tone is a bit less childish (most of the time) but the only episode I've thought was absolutely terrible this series was the first one, which I think is one of Doctor Who's worst episodes. I'm not saying it is amazing but I feel it has improved. The Dalek episode was one of the best in years I think and last weeks was pretty good too.

The first half the the series defiantly. It went downhill sometime shortly after listen imo.