Boys & Feminism

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You understand how much childminders cost yeah?

my family wasn't particularly wealthy when I was born yet they could afford a child minder for me no problem. let me put this into perspective - my parents spent their money responsibly; we had a small house, not much in it, we had no computer until I was about 11, and we'd rarely change our cars. is that really so difficult for other families to do?

Family and friends? Who also work and have families-not gonna happen.

what about the grandma and grandpa? my grandparents took care of me quite a lot when the child minder wasn't involved yet

Trading the child for her job? wtf?

how is she going to do both of them without resorting to unjust entitlement mentalities?

surrogacy? Most women want to carry their own child. It's not a lot to ask.

then she has to think about the economic and individual circumstances and the real world risks.

Husband working harder-sacrificing the work/family balance again.

and why is balance objectively necessary in a family? is it going to become destroyed if one person works more?

Not have a baby-then no working woman would ever reproduce. And a lot of women work.

1) how come civilisation existed for hundreds of thousands of years without these kinds of socialist legislations?
2) let's assume you're right to an extent and women reproruce less - fair enough, we're overpopulated any way

Reply 101

citydeer

Original post by Jemner01

They're creating more issues than there are in reality period. 3rd-wave feminism is heavily linked to LGBT activism, fat acceptance, gender orientation (pronouns, etc) and a whole host of other non-issues that they believe exist in our country. I should say- not every feminist is a fervent extremist, but unfortunately modern feminism has lost credibility and is riddled with fallacy and manipulation.

These issues do exist in our country, to say they dont is just ignorant. Just becuase you may not experience these issues doesnt mean they dont exist. These issues exist, and are experienced by many people on a daily basis.

Reply 102

Olderandwiser23

Original post by DiddyDec

Feminism - The advocacy of women's rights on the ground of equality of the sexes.

By definition feminism has nothing to do with men.

Men should fight for women's rights don't you think?

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Reply 103

kudzi.c

Original post by DiddyDec

Feminism - The advocacy of women's rights on the ground of equality of the sexes.

By definition feminism has nothing to do with men.

Do you think feminists can achieve any of their goals without including men?

Reply 104

zippity.doodah

Original post by DiddyDec

Feminism - The advocacy of women's rights on the ground of equality of the sexes.

By definition feminism has nothing to do with men.

men can't be advocates for women's rights (assuming they need more of them)? would that also imply that white people can't advocate racial equality?

Reply 105

Olderandwiser23

Original post by citydeer

+1

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Reply 106

kudzi.c

Original post by citydeer

Very true, lack of personal experience doesn't mean issues don't exist, ignorance doesn't make them go away either.

Reply 107

username1331498

Original post by Olderandwiser23

Men should fight for women's rights don't you think?

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Women already have the same rights as men do. Therefore, men do not need to fight for women's rights.

Reply 108

Olderandwiser23

Original post by EatAndRevise

Women already have the same rights as men do. Therefore, men do not need to fight for women's rights.

No we don't.

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Reply 109

DK_Tipp

Original post by kudzi.c

Define feminist rhetoric please

You're asking an impossible task of me...

Read my post again. I agree with the principle of the original movement and I dislike some feminist rhetoric. For that you can read anything deliberately sensationalist, anything deliberately anti-man, anything deliberately provocative and girls who've read a few passages of Valerie Solanas and have now "found their cause".

If you want to know how to get more men on board I can't really think of a better example than Emma Watson.

It's very important to be critical of that which you support as well as that which oppose.

Reply 110

geoking

Original post by Olderandwiser23

Every woman should be allowed to wear what ever we want with out the threat of being raped. Men have a choice about violating a woman's body. Stealing from a house is not the same as physically forcing your way into a woman's body. Never compare the two as the same. Ever.

And this is why we need feminism.

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Okay what you need to address though is the issue that some people WANT TO HURT OTHER PEOPLE. Some people want to rape because they know it will hurt the other person.

Feminism has nothing to do with that. You are in denial about the existence of bad people.

Reply 111

Smash Bandicoot

How about stop.having feminist Facebook friends telling men on social debates to man up and check their privilege.

If a man goes 'but what about men?' he is told to suck it up and stop being a whiney bitch. He is then called an immature ignorant boy

My original response was more coherent and empirical than this

Reply 112

username1331498

Original post by Olderandwiser23

People kill people. Men kill men. Men kill women, women kill women. Women kill men.

Rape is a violation like no other. A physical over powering to get sexual gratification through fear and (sometimes) assault and murder.

And OfCourse in other instances eg in a relationship. It's all a power struggle to take something from a woman or man that s/he is meant to have sole control over.

Eg I have the right to control who touches me intimately or otherwise. A man taking that control from me, is vile.

Murder -well there's no sexual gratification there, no leaving physiological damage to that person (as they're dead). In rape the rapist goes out of his/her way to destroy that other person and take away the only single true power that a person has.

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And more men are killed than women are, so how isn't that a gender issue?
More men are assaulted than women are, so how isn't that a gender issue?
In the UK, more victims of alleged rapes are female, so how is that a gender issue?

men rape women. men rape men. women rape (according to the law, this is not possible, but in general terms it is) men. women rape women.

"In rape the rapist goes out of his/her way to destroy that other person and take away the only single true power that a person has."

A murderer does exactly the same thing.

"Murder -well there's no sexual gratification there"

For some people there is.

Reply 113

Jemner01

Original post by citydeer

Issues like fat shaming, or hostility towards trans/pans/two-of-a-kind/genderfluid/dragonkin-identifying sexual identities? I think the solution to stop being ridiculed because of weight is to lose weight. I

I'm a black woman trapped in a white man's body. Should I be facilitated with special treatment, preference in the workplace or even governmental benefits? Should I even be treated as sane? No, I should be referred to a psychiatrist.

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Reply 114

kudzi.c

Original post by DK_Tipp

You're asking an impossible task of me...

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It's very important to be critical of that which you support as well as that which oppose.

Alright, thanks for giving your opinion. And I understand the importance of critical thinking, that's why I wanted to hear guys opinions - both positive and negative - on feminism because often it's women in their 20s/30s...

Reply 115

username1331498

Original post by Olderandwiser23

No we don't.

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Yes you do.

What rights do men have that women don't have, in the Western World?

Reply 116

Olderandwiser23

Original post by geoking

I'm not at all. But something has to be done to at least try to prevent this happening. And I feel the only way we will achieve a society where this is reduced is by women and men uniting and altering society so treating women badly is deemed unacceptable by ALL and thus any rape that is committed is punished with far harsher sentences eg actual life.

No more "lad" culture. Eg that dapper laughs w****r

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Reply 117

kudzi.c

Original post by Jemner01

Issues like fat shaming, or hostility towards trans/pans/two-of-a-kind/genderfluid/dragonkin-identifying sexual identities, be dealt with on a social level? I don't think so. I think the solution to stop being ridiculed because of weight is to lose weight. I think the solution to the idea of being born in the wrong body of being genderfluid or a reincarnation of an animal is to seek professional psychological and/or medical help.

I'm a black woman trapped in a white man's body. Should I be facilitated with special treatment, preference in the workplace or even governmental benefits? No, I should be referred to a psychiatrist.

I understand this is your opinion but this can be highly offensive to some people so could you just avoid saying more comments along these lines.

Reply 118

Olderandwiser23

Original post by Jemner01

Issues like fat shaming, or hostility towards trans/pans/two-of-a-kind/genderfluid/dragonkin-identifying sexual identities? I think the solution to stop being ridiculed because of weight is to lose weight. I think the solution to the idea of being born in the wrong body or being genderfluid or a reincarnation of an animal is to seek professional psychological and/or medical help.

I'm a black woman trapped in a white man's body. Should I be facilitated with special treatment, preference in the workplace or even governmental benefits? Should I even be treated as sane? No, I should be referred to a psychiatrist.

Just realised you're American.

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Reply 119

citydeer

Original post by Jemner01

Issues like fat shaming, or hostility towards trans/pans/two-of-a-kind/genderfluid/dragonkin-identifying sexual identities? I think the solution to stop being ridiculed because of weight is to lose weight. I think the solution to the idea of being born in the wrong body or being genderfluid or a reincarnation of an animal is to seek professional psychological and/or medical help.

I'm a black woman trapped in a white man's body. Should I be facilitated with special treatment, preference in the workplace or even governmental benefits? No, I should be referred to a psychiatrist.

Personally I don't think the way to win a debate is claim a problem doesn't exist and then prove that it actually does but please keep going.

Mocking people for their weight, who are happy in their own body is just mean and rude. Mocking people for their identity is more than rude, its offensive and horrible. Don't be rude. Listen to the voices of minorities, rather than ridiculing them.