Boys & Feminism

does it matter, the pay gap proves gender equality. Do you dare to refute that?

Well fine I concede. It is not saying the exact same thing, however, it does show gender inequality. I have my facts and figures to back that up, do you have any figures to disprove it?

Yes. But I'm not going into that now. I'm going to bed.

Your facts and figures don't support what you're saying.

What you have to understand is that inequality is not an inherently bad thing. It has no inherent moral value at all. What would be bad would be if men were being given preferential treatment over women in pay or career advancement. The fact that men are generally more successful than women in the world of work is not evidence of this being the case.

"A man is selected for hire over a woman; fewer women reach tenure track positions; there’s a gender gap in publications."
http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/unofficial-prognosis/2012/09/23/study-shows-gender-bias-in-science-is-real-heres-why-it-matters/

how about this?
We are being oppressed in almost every way due to capitalism and fascism masquerading as liberal democracy (i.e. as in the USA where murder is legal as long as you kill a black person). Anarchism worked in Catalonia until Franco and his fascist seized the area meanwhile turning all the leftists against each other. Might I say that Anarchism isn't a lack of order, much rather it is a lack of power, instead of being oppressed we live in a state of mutual respect for the purposes of progression instead of the gain of capital, an absence of socioeconomic inequality and social class. Anarchy represents order, respect and progress, capitalism is a state of oppression based on a wealth that values a person based on their excess rather than their character and virtues.

and that amounts to the justification of dehumanising someone? i would like to see you thought process.

How can we get more boys to see that feminism benefits them too? Any male feminists out there, what made you see the importance of feminism? And people who think feminism is useless, I'd like to know why.

I'm a male feminist -partially for reasons for self-interest though - if feminism means that women are required to participate fully in the labour market like we do then it means society is more productive and we no longer have to support them financially like in the past. That means we have more disposable income to spend on ourselves and more to devote to our hobbies. Also, everyone regardless of gender can then be autonomous - they don't interfere in our lives, we don't interfere in theirs.

I used to be a feminist and im a female, quit because I've first hand experienced on social networks sites such as twitter and tumblr how racist mainstream (white) feminism is. For example in my home country somalia, FGM and rape as war punishments is very common and right now there are many rape crisis centres and hospitals for women and children established by somali women. HOWEVER, white feminists still go on "self exploration" trips to my home country with their saviour complex believing that their western experience of equality can free a bunch of "oppressed" african women. Completely ignoring the work somali diaspora are doing themselves to reverse the atrocities happening. This isn't just my home country this is every third world country and yes it is very patronising.

Feminism seems to be about "oh look at me I'm saving these poor brown and black women"
And ignoring the fact that many of these african countries where matriarchal and EQUAL societies before colonisation of the British empire and other European countries.
I still believe in feminist values but I feel comfortable labelling myself as a womanist (if you don't know what womanism is search Angela davis)


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Never take twitter or tumblr as a good representation of anyone. Your first mistake.


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That's how they represent themselves though. Twitter and tumblr are useful in serving women of colour and other feminists safe spaces to discuss issues but u most than likely see the true colours of these faux Intersectional feminists

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That's how a very small number of people represent themselves. Twitter and tumblr are just like tsr. A collection of bs and trolls.


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Well pointed out, that comment does isolate men. There are many men who fought for gender equality alongside women. I think education, more use and patience will help get us over all the connotations that come with feminism though.

How can we get more boys to see that feminism benefits them too? Any male feminists out there, what made you see the importance of feminism? And people who think feminism is useless, I'd like to know why.

Men will never like feminism, their nature is to protect, to provide, to dominate (not with the negative connotations attached to this nowadays), whereas a woman's nature is to care, nurture, love and make a loving home for her children and family. You can see this evident in animals and in the pre-1960s world.
The rise of feminism has been detrimental to families and society in general, the order of things has now overturned - this would be okay if both parties had the same attributes and the same weaknesses. However this is not the case.
Men and women are equal; but they are not the same.
Therefore they have equal worth in and of themselves, but different roles. The issue is that patriarchy is now seen as the enemy of a 'good' 'developed' 'modern' society however those living under patriarchy would've probably disagreed.
It is true that modern feminism is poisonous, it is also contagious, it makes women think they are empowered and free. But they are not. By being on the contraceptive pill, so that they may control their fertility, they feel that they are liberated from the agony of motherhood, the weighing down of not being able to work or the stress of having 5+ children; when in actual fact they are allowing themselves to be used by men. There have been studies to show that men can tell when a woman is on the pill, instinctively, just like he can tell if she is fertile or menstruating.

Women moan about men not being committed enough, in terms of relationships, when men are given the message (subliminally) that the woman isn't committed to being a wife or mother by being on birth control. No matter what anyone says, a man is instinctively seeking a mate who would fulfil the role as a child barer.

Furthermore men feel out of place in the family unit, once upon a time one wage COULD provide for a family with 6 children, albeit barely, but, it could. However, once women had to have a piece of the workers cake the availability of jobs had to increase by almost 50%. Not only is the recession in the 80s testament to a workforce under huge strain, but the number of unemployed people show that it is just not feasible to have so many people in work. It cannot be denied that women are more often than not outdoing them in the work place (showing that the modern concept of feminism as female superiority is working). It is important to note that I am saying women are unable to be successful in their careers; in fact, the issue isn't in ability; in the rise of modernism one can see that women are more than able to be successful in a working environment, however just because someone can do something doesn't mean they should.

I am a woman, by the way

I believe you speak of Dappah Laughs. now you have just proved the point that I am about to make, by relieving him of his platform he is now unable to impact society. He is quoted saying "dressed like that you are asking to be raped" to an audience member, I understand that you may not have known that but a person of that sort should not hold a platform and (in fact) should be rehabilitated. "Lad culture" should not become an outlet if it oppresses women, freedom from oppression is one of my fundamental beliefs, and it should be the belief of the vast majority excluding the bigots and fascists.

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Are you actually saying women shouldn't work or shouldn't be successful?




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