Champagne Socialism

Original post by william walker

As opposed to the country being ruled by one government.

what you mean, like how a country should be run?

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username402722

If you need Russell Brand to help publicity for your cause, I feel very sorry for you.

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illegaltobepoor

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Russell Brand is a complete egomaniac. I think he just proved all his critics right on his previous video in reply to his mess up about failing to declare how much he pays for his rent.

I was never one to back up Pete Dorothy when he was the poster boy for Unite Against Fascism. In fact I was one his biggest abusers. These fake celebs are everything that is wrong with our culture.

It doesn't just happen here though. What about the USA? I do feel sorry for America since they have Paris Hilton who teaches all American women to be stuck up consumers and laugh at anyone who doesn't earn a 6 fig salary.

But how do you navigate yourself though the hordes and swarms of these useless idiots who follow stupid idols like Russell Brand and Paris Hilton. I am afraid you have to agree with everything the useless idiots say. Just agree with them and then just betray them. Chances are they won't even realize because they have been manipulated by their messiah who has turned them into brain dead zombie lemmings.

I can see it now ........

Russell Brand encourages every teenager to get a early drug consumption education. To be a revolutionary communist thou must have go though a whole substance abuse revolution in thy own mind and top it off with a I am a proud illiterate T-shirt.

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Ruitker

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Original post by Quady

Have their policies been announced yet?

I know the flat tax has gone and the personal allowance/higher rate threshold proposals but is their a Further/Higher Eduation policy yet?

Yes. Further policy education is around lower tuition fees for degrees with most being free. The belief is lots of people are going to university to get a degree which often isn't a very good degree. Instead of pushing for everyone to go the university there needs to be a renewed focus on pushing apprenticeships and technical colleges giving people a skill or trade. There was an interview with Farage in the Daily Telegraph a month before the Euroelections, it's probably on youtube.

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Original post by The Juan

UKIP is the true party of the working class. They stick up for the ordinary Briton.

By wanting the NHS privatised and by being headed by a man wearing a tweed jacket?

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Original post by Ruitker

Yes. Further policy education is around lower tuition fees for degrees with most being free. The belief is lots of people are going to university to get a degree which often isn't a very good degree. Instead of pushing for everyone to go the university there needs to be a renewed focus on pushing apprenticeships and technical colleges giving people a skill or trade. There was an interview with Farage in the Daily Telegraph a month before the Euroelections, it's probably on youtube.

Yes let's criticise people choosing to pursue an education.

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The Juan

Original post by Midlander

By wanting the NHS privatised and by being headed by a man wearing a tweed jacket?

I just looked on the website under policies and saw nothing about privatising. NHS, it said to keep it free.

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Original post by The Juan

I just looked on the website under policies and saw nothing about privatising. NHS, it said to keep it free.

Education too.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/ttip-ukip-backtracks-nhs-privatisation-amid-communication-shambles-1470926

How about privately educated fox hunting advocate Farage? How is he a man of the people?

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Quady

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Original post by Ruitker

Yes. Further policy education is around lower tuition fees for degrees with most being free. The belief is lots of people are going to university to get a degree which often isn't a very good degree. Instead of pushing for everyone to go the university there needs to be a renewed focus on pushing apprenticeships and technical colleges giving people a skill or trade. There was an interview with Farage in the Daily Telegraph a month before the Euroelections, it's probably on youtube.

Actually I've found it:

'– Subject to academic performance UKIP will remove tuition fees for students taking approved degrees in science, medicine, technology, engineering, maths on the condition that they live, work and pay tax in the UK for five years after the completion of their degrees.'
http://www.ukip.org/policies_for_people

So Paul Nuttall, David Cameron, George Osborne, Ed Milliband, Nick Clegg and Nicola Sturgeon wouldn't have degrees which would qualify?

How come most degrees would be free? Sounds like it would be a minority of degrees based on the subject qualifier, with academic performance and course approval making that a smaller minority, and the five year hurdles making it smaller yet.

Or am I missing something?

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Quady

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Original post by The Juan

I just looked on the website under policies and saw nothing about privatising. NHS, it said to keep it free.

No. It says:
'UKIP will ensure the NHS is free at the point of delivery and time of need for all UK residents'

So a bill can arrive a week later in the post, and/or paid for via private insurance.

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Ruitker

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Original post by Quady

Actually I've found it:

'– Subject to academic performance UKIP will remove tuition fees for students taking approved degrees in science, medicine, technology, engineering, maths on the condition that they live, work and pay tax in the UK for five years after the completion of their degrees.'
http://www.ukip.org/policies_for_people

So Paul Nuttall, David Cameron, George Osborne, Ed Milliband, Nick Clegg and Nicola Sturgeon wouldn't have degrees which would qualify?

How come most degrees would be free? Sounds like it would be a minority of degrees based on the subject qualifier, with academic performance and course approval making that a smaller minority, and the five year hurdles making it smaller yet.

Or am I missing something?

You're missing the long term plan. Reduced people in university and more people in technical centres will leave the government more money to eventually abolish tuition fees for most degrees over time. As Nigel said in the interview, it's impossible to abolish fees overnight but long term savings can give a long-term plan for abolishing fees. From a personal stance, I support tuition fees.

Original post by Quady

No. It says:
'UKIP will ensure the NHS is free at the point of delivery and time of need for all UK residents'

So a bill can arrive a week later in the post, and/or paid for via private insurance.

The "and time of need bit" covers making it free for all UK residents when they need it at all times. The NHS will be free for UK residents but not others who will be billed for their treatment. Similar to Australia and Canada. It's a UKIP policy to make sure all visitors have health insurance when entering the UK to cover the cost of any treatment they might have.

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william walker

Original post by KingStannis

what you mean, like how a country should be run?

Governed, not run.

Reply 74

KingStannis

Original post by william walker

Governed, not run.

If your argument consists of splitting hairs between two similar words which are both so vaguely defined in the context we have no idea as to whether we even mean different things, then the argument is not worth engaging in.

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william walker

Original post by KingStannis

If your argument consists of splitting hairs between two similar words which are both so vaguely defined in the context we have no idea as to whether we even mean different things, then the argument is not worth engaging in.

The government should govern which mean enforce the will of the state or the law nothing more. The government shouldn't be in a position to run peoples lives.

Not splitting hair, there is a massive difference between the use of the two words.

Reply 76

KingStannis

Original post by william walker

The government should govern which mean enforce the will of the state or the law nothing more. The government shouldn't be in a position to run peoples lives.

Not splitting hair, there is a massive difference between the use of the two words.

What if the will of the state is the running of peoples lives? That's acceptable according to you.

Also I meant run as in "generally enforce and administrate the law and government policy", which is basically what I think you meant anyway.

And that is preferable to monopolies of private individuals with no guaranteed or effective interest in the good of the nation governing the nation I think it's safe to say.

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Quady

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Original post by Ruitker

You're missing the long term plan. Reduced people in university and more people in technical centres will leave the government more money to eventually abolish tuition fees for most degrees over time. As Nigel said in the interview, it's impossible to abolish fees overnight but long term savings can give a long-term plan for abolishing fees. From a personal stance, I support tuition fees.

The "and time of need bit" covers making it free for all UK residents when they need it at all times. The NHS will be free for UK residents but not others who will be billed for their treatment. Similar to Australia and Canada. It's a UKIP policy to make sure all visitors have health insurance when entering the UK to cover the cost of any treatment they might have.

From that policy statement, it will be those doing technical degrees who will have reduced/no fees, so what would be the incentive for them to go to technical centres instead?

Or would Paul Nuttall not have done his History degree at Edge Hill and instead gone to a 'technical centre'?

Since £8bn would be saved from not paying the EU and £9bn saved from the International Aid budget, it would be affordable overnight.

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mojojojo101

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Original post by illegaltobepoor

Russell Brand is a complete egomaniac. I think he just proved all his critics right on his previous video in reply to his mess up about failing to declare how much he pays for his rent.

You are going to have to clarify to me how Russel Brands rent is relevant ???

The only reason to have brought it up would be to distract from the issue at hand and reduce the argument to 'Russel Brand is rich so he can't help poor people'.

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