The Liverpool FC Thread XII

Shame about Hyypia - but yeah, I'd take him as a defensive coach.

Henderson is Milner/Ramires said it last season. Maybe he can add a few goals to his game but nothing I've seen of him suggests he is any different to this evaluation.

He technically better than Ramires on the ball. Haven't watched enough of Milner to comment. Henderson will either become brilliant or forever remain a utility player depending on his development over the next season or two.

Really is he actually that much better than Ramires on the ball. Henderson isn't really the type of guy to make numerous key passes a game. Ramires is better defensively while Henderson has a bit more composure on the ball.

If you give Ramires space to play he can play the ball it's only when he gets congested(which 95% of teams do against Chelsea while other teams give Liverpool space to play they just lack the technique to get past) when he looks poor and bumbly on the ball.

Milner is decent technically. Take e.g. his game against Liverpool last season e.g. when he came on and destroyed you lot.

Sakho is our best defender tbh , was great to see a defender play with confidence against Arsenal. Hope Rodgers gives him more of a chance.

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Hilarious how Rodgers says we don't need a defensive coach. We've been so bad in defence during his tenure. Cba to tally up how many conceded in all competitions.

Pretty sure 100% of all goals conceded have been from corners or unforced defensive errors, too.

Not sure we've ever conceded a clean, quality, unstoppable goal.

Ronaldo's goal at Anfield comes to mind, can't think of or remember other ones.

All of Madrid's goals do, yeah, but I was thinking of the PL.

That Gera goal in Rodgers' first game is literally the only one I can recall.

I'm sure there have been a few goals that was down to quality play from the opposition or a one in a million strike from outside the box. But we have conceded so many cheap/avoidable goals that it feels like all of our goals is down to us.

Really is he actually that much better than Ramires on the ball. Henderson isn't really the type of guy to make numerous key passes a game. Ramires is better defensively while Henderson has a bit more composure on the ball.

If you give Ramires space to play he can play the ball it's only when he gets congested(which 95% of teams do against Chelsea while other teams give Liverpool space to play they just lack the technique to get past) when he looks poor and bumbly on the ball.

Milner is decent technically. Take e.g. his game against Liverpool last season e.g. when he came on and destroyed you lot.

That Gera goal in Rodgers' first game is literally the only one I can recall.

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Don't you dare ever compare Ramires to Henderson in an attacking sense ever again. Ramires is as toothless as they come. Inb4 Nou Camp goal.

Henderson is ostensibly a utility player - but he isn't a true one like Milner. He's never excelled at RM or RWB, whereas Milner has truly been magnificent in at least 5 roles across the pitch. Henderson is definitely a central midfielder who can be used out wide - whereas Milner has the capability to play anywhere except CB and do a great job.

Milner is one of the world's top utility players. He cost £30m, his previous transfer fee was £12m, and he's turning 29 in two weeks - ie he's playing to his price tag, is at the top of his game, and has the luxury of being an impact sub at one of the top tier clubs of the world.

For Henderson to match and better his statistics at the age of 24 is excellent. He's had a poor season so far but he still won us the West Brom game and it's not as if anyone else in our team except Kolo and Sterling have had a good season either.

Also the idea of Henderson ending up in the number 10 role behind the strikers is simply laughable Zerf. One, because we have Sterling, Coutinho, Markovic etc all far more suited to the role, two because Henderson is frankly an awful finisher and not upto attacking midfielder standard AT ALL, and three because his best attributes (ie his work rate, defensive abilities and ability to circulate the ball) are all for central midfielders, not number 10s.

If you actually read what I said I said that is Henderson that much better than Ramires in an attacking sense. Considering Ramires generally played deep in a 4-2-3-1 he's not going to burst forward as much as Henderson anyway when Liverpool played 4-3-3/4-4-2 diamond which frees up Henderson in an attacking sense. We saw how toothless Henderson was in the world cup when England played 4-4-1-1 e.g.

Also defensive stats wise Ramires is similar if not better than Henderson defensive wise bar for interceptions and he does better when taking on a player than Henderson.

Milner is not playing to a 30M price tag but he's a useful player to have.
Finally matching Milner's statistics when he barely got a run of games with over 1000 less minute than the other two isn't the most amazing. Henderson is currently overrated and requires top creative players next to him to hold his hand. Gerrard didn't need that.

I think Henderson isn't dissimilar to a young Gerrard which Rafa Benitez then turned into a star attacking midfield player.