'I don't need feminism because...'

Majority of feminists completely disregard men's issues, and then claim to be advocates of gender equality.

also we're assuming the fact that feminism and masculism (real word) are exclusive. There isn't a name for advocating everybody's rights (apart from being a decent human), and so...

if I advocate women's rights I'm supporting feminism

if I advocate men's rights I'm supporting masculism



Whichever I support, I'm still believing in gender equality, it's just that each one only focuses on one half of the problem. But whose to say I can't be both? I can advocate women's and men's rights, right? Either way, I'm still a feminist. I'm a masculist, too, but I'm still a feminist.

The girls on the front page with their signs are foolish, they're basically stating that women's rights shouldn't be proposed.

Read this, my reply to someone else:

Read each of the girl's signs. One of them thinks feminism is not about equality, and instead it's about supremacy. Another thinks that feminism is useless because rapists know that they shouldn't rape anyway (I genuinely can't get the logic here at all). Another doesn't want feminism because she realises men have issues too (does she not realise that feminism is for equality of all genders?). Another is against feminism because she doesn't want to demonise men (feminism =/= man-hating) and she takes responsibility for he own actions (is she taking responsibility for her smaller paycheck than her male counterparts too?). Another doesn't need feminism because she doesn't think women are at a disadvantage - well the statistics say otherwise: she's 9x more likely to be raped, and if she's american she gets paid only 77% of her male counterpart. Another doesn't need feminism because she loves men and respects their rights...lol k. And also apparently feminism made her feel in dangers, and it steps on the black community?? Another doesn't need feminism because it apparently implies that she's currently weak (I really can't see the logic there, all it implies is that in some major aspects of her life she isn't going to be considered equal to a male counterpart, for example in media portrayal, job prospects and pay, sexual assault etc).


And now think, all of these girls are being more ridiculous, because they assume that gender equality by advocating women's rights comes at the cost of leaving men's rights behind, but that isn't what it means. Anti-feminism gets a very bad name when it's member 1. don't know the definition of feminism and 2. don'd understand that feminists can't advocate men's rights too.

I'm a feminist because I believe in gender equality and I advocate women's rights. I don't think women are supreme or that men are to blame; I also acknowledge that in some aspects of life, men are at a disadvantage/discriminated against. Because of this I also advocate men's rights.


I won't accept people bashing feminism because I think it's ridiculous how someone doesn't believe in gender equality, or that people rights needs to be put forth in areas where they are treated unfairly. And if they claim that I'm being a misandris because I support feminism, then they are clearly uneducated and don't understand that feminism isn't against male rights and that I also advocate male rights in areas where men are treated unfairly or discriminated against.

Now I've made this clear, please tell me how being a feminist is wrong.

I would rather just support gender equality as a whole, rather than be a feminist and a masculinist (it's not masculist by the way, it's masculinist). Why over-complicate things?
I disagree with you completely. You want to divide the cause, this is going to create a bigger gap between the genders. It simply makes no sense, and will only further perpetuate the problem at hand.

I have no desire to keep repeating myself, therefore I would prefer it if you would stop responding with the same point.

I am really fighting the urge to sigh, right now.

At what point did I say that feminists were wrong? I simply criticised the feminists that disregard men's rights. That's all.

Stop putting words in my mouth, and reading hidden, non-existing meanings in what I am stating. Thank you.

and yet, even still, no one can actually tell me what they're working towards in any realistic and quantifiable way. What gender equality are you looking for?

-wage gap doesn't exist (in fact it's illegal to discriminate on sex lines for employers in the uk)
-rape epidemic doesn't exist (stats are hyped due to diluted definition used by feminists, also kashmiri muslims love it- not so much a white male problem on the whole)
-slut double standard exists for a reason due to evolutionary biology (i posted a graphic on another thread, if you want to read it let me know)
-men and women both express themselves differently. If you want men to express themselves like women then that is misandry.

What i'm getting at is, feminists understand evolutionary biology about as well as creationists do. Please, prove me wrong. tell me why you're not insane, and what are you trying to equalise between the sexes?

And yet, even still, no one can actually tell me what they're working towards in any realistic and quantifiable way. What gender equality are you looking for?

Supporting equality as a whole still makes you a feminist though! I advocate the rights of everyone within significant aspects of their life when they are treated unfairly, discriminated against, or otherwise at a disadvantage. So yes, I am a feminist, because I advocate women's rights, and yes I'm an advocate of LGBT rights, and I also advocate black rights too!!! Is a masculinist is someone who advocates men's rights, then I guess I'm one of those as well! By very definition of the word feminist, I couldn't fit it any better. I do support everyone's rights, but unfortunately there isn't a word for that so I have to label myself with the words that do exist, even if they are for very specific groups of people, but that doesn't stop me from being that thing, if you advocate women's rights and believe in gender equality then by it's very definition you are a feminist, because nowhere in the definition does it state that you can't support anyone else's right too. I think this is what you're not understanding.




I'm a feminist (because I advocate women's rights and believe in gender equality) and there's no-one in the world who's rights I disregard, so I don't understand why the majority of people don't identify as feminist too, unless they're either sexist or just don't advocate anyone's rights (even slightly) because they're simply lazy. Like literally, most people I know believe that the sexes are equal, and they'll even sometimes say something about the unfairness of something to do with females (I heard a a bunch of guys talking about how bad it is that girls have to pay so much for tampons, it was very awkward to witness tbh. Likewise they all accept that women deserved the right to vote and they couldn't believe that it was difficult for them to be given it). But if I approached them and asked if they were feminists, they'd all bloody retch and mock the world to hell. But why? They fit the definition perfectly, so why don't they identify as it? Because they don't understand what it means, they don't understand that feminism isn't this exclusive "woman supreme" bundle of beliefs that prevent people from supporting any other group of people, incapable of acknowledging mens' drawbacks. And that's my problem, all of this anti-feminism is bull**** and the girls on that front page have some really pathetic, ignorant views and I can't believe that there are open-minded, educated people shooting down something which so clearly should be the norm

You can't impose on other people what they identify as. Many people justifiably don't feel feminism adequately fights for the rights of both genders or even all members of the same gender. It doesn't speak to all women and being dismissive of that and insisting 'they don't understand feminism' rather than addressing it says everything that's wrong with it.

You can't impose on other people what they identify as. Many people justifiably don't feel feminism adequately fights for the rights of both genders or even all members of the same gender. It doesn't speak to all women and being dismissive of that and insisting 'they don't understand feminism' rather than addressing it says everything that's wrong with it.

You don't need feminism because you're a bloke.

I think this campaign shows how great and deep the misconception is about what feminism is. One should differ between man hating, frustrated people being aggressive and hateful while hiding behind an honorable cause, versus the feminist ideology itself. Feminism is the idea that men and women should be equal, in every way. Misandry is not feminism, it's not a part of the ideolgy and certainly should not be or become. Misandry in those calling them selves feminists shows how they've misunderstood what feminism want to acheive; a society where both women and men could thrive, no gender being surpressed by another were no one is limited because of gender.

Look at the work of Judith Butler, look at the texts of Mary Wollenstonecraft, Stuart Mill and de beauvoir - there is no misandry in feminist ideology. Misandry is not feminism.

Did... Did you sincerely collectivise John Stuart Mill into Feminism. Not sure if srs.

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Sure. In his book, The Subject of Women, he argues in favour of equality between the sexes.

Equality of sexes is not equivocal to feminism. Mill certainly wasn't a feminist and almost the entire corpus of his thought is opposed by what "feminism" advocates. He never would have identified as such, he didn't and it's an anachronism to claim so.

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Equality of sexes is not equivocal to feminism. Mill certainly wasn't a feminist and almost the entire corpus of his thought is opposed by what "feminism" advocates. He never would have identified as such, he didn't and it's an anachronism to claim so.

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I'm confused?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Subjection_of_Women