Why I'm not Charlie and never will be

Fair enough. I think it is given that they go against everything he is. Yeah man, Its sad that they were killed as they shouldn't have been harmed but I also don't feel sad for them.

100% agree. I already shared my reasons in the other post about this so I might as-well copy & past. They also had a cover talking about surrogacy being slavery & what do you know, they drew a picture of 2 white people walking a black person on all 4s with a leash. Just inserting racism wherever they can & showcasing how they truly feel about black people.

Charlie Hebdo has made numerous extremely racist etc comics. Although they insult other religions equally, they seem to go one step further when insulting Muslims. Hebdo contributes to the marginalisation of discriminated groups that are already oppressed; its not 'just a cartoon'. Their work is viciously disgusting and goes above satire and into the realm of racism, xenophobia etc. They shouldn't have been killed, I condemn the murders just like I condemn the cartoons. So now, Charlie Hebdo is now being put on a pedestal as a western saviour and campaigner for free speech. They never were. If you champion free speech, you will not support Charlie Hebdo's work as they use it as a blanket to spread hate, islamophobia, racism and incite violence/ xenophobia.

So no, I am not Charlie. If I am anyone it would be Ahmed, the (muslim) policeman who was killed. He died protecting Charlie Hebdo who ridiculed his culture, ethnicity and faith. He died defending and protecting free speech and is a true hero.

The cartoons below are drawn by Charlie Hebdo, the french magazine which recently got attacked by gunmen.

It shows a muslim man using the Quran as (bullets going through it) with the caption "the Quran is s*** it doesn't stop bulllets" after the Rabaa massacre in Egypt. Over 1000 Egyptians were killed by their own military whilst peacefully protesting.

This is one of the reasons I am not charlie. I do not make fun of massacres.I am above that. If someone where to make fun of holocaust victims, they would be called quite a few bad names(and rightly so). It shouldn't be any different when people make fun of other atrocities.

The other cartoon shows, Mrs Taubira, a government minister, as a monkey simply because she is a black woman. I do not support racism, so yet again, I am not Charlie.

Just to add - I do not support the gunmen or anything of the like.

The images are in the spoiler, you may find them offensive, so I've given you the option whether you wish to view them or not.

you got it wrong mate. I was responding to someone else. I know the cartoons are deeply offensive and the cartoons were basically asking for a reaction.

The most hyperbolic post ever. Charlie Hebdo is a left-wing publisher, which even tried to get the Front National banned. Their satire was dark, and beyond our normal sensibilities, but to equate them with an organisation like Golden Dawn (which is essentially what you are doing with your hyperbole) is ridiculous.

In addition, Charlie Hebdo did not march through the streets of Paris plastering their cartoons everywhere, or post them through letterboxes. You would have to go out of your way to find them and then experience the reactions you describe.

If you champion free speech, you will support Charlie Hebdo. You may not agree with the content of the cartoons, but they stood firm in the face of censorship and threats of violence: this makes them a champion of free speech. Also, I support anyone who is violently attacked for utilising their right to free expression, regardless of what they say or publish so long as it is within the law.

No, the context you miss is that it is an ongoing war between the west and the Islamic State and other terrorist groups in the Middle East (also France's wonderful and convenient ability to forget it's history in North Africa).
This is not a regular debate about freedom of expression, in the backdrop of current affairs it is a war. A war that is going on right now away from the comfort of your armchair. I see this event as an overspill from the war which is geographically in the middle east but has been declared to all sympathisers of that particular movement. In that context, in a war, he had it coming. His weapons were his words/drawings (propaganda being a weapon in war). Their weapons were their guns.
Of course he should not have given in, but he also should have known what environment he/they were publishing the material in.

Since when is freedom of press more crucial than confronting racism? ?

Since when is freedom of press more crucial than confronting racism? Sure they confronted it barbarically. But it's not right to support Charlie. If people had any concern for racism (referring to the monkey one in OP) then they wouldn't so blindly advocate for freedom of press behind support for the publisher who is behind those offensive satires; just because they were killed is that justification to support them?

The most hyperbolic post ever.

Charlie Hebdo is a left-wing publisher

If you champion free speech, you will support Charlie Hebdo.

When people have their heads blown off it.

Get a grip. There is a lot worse out there. I am a proponent of gay rights and have seen a couple of Charlie Hebdo's cartoons which could be construed as homophobic. But I appreciate that they were just perpetuating dark humour, for which there is a market, and probably did not wish for gay people to be hurt or criminalised. They were left-wing after all. I also appreciate that any offence I feel is my own doing, as I have specifically decided to search for such cartoons, when I could just ignore them.

And "confronting racism" is so subjective. The Daily Mail, and indeed numerous other newspapers, post stuff all the time, including statistics, which do not portray ethnic minorities in a good light. This probably causes more racist feelings than Charlie Hebdo, being the small publication that it is, has ever done. Do we call for those mainstream newspapers to be banned? No.

Let's discuss all of the barbaric violence behind racism, now.

I doubt any of the cartoons were racist anyway

If you are depending Charlie, or doing this whole trend about 'I'm Charlie', you are basically depending antisemitism, racism, Islamophoba, bigotry and xenophobia.


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What a cop out. Just say if you're incapable of forming a coherent, logical counter-argument.

The OP just provided its racist cartoons.

Excuse me? You don't know me from a bag of rice, sweetie. You're not someone I feel even remotely aroused to argue with, due to the ignorant sentiments you have expressed in your former post. Is that okay?

It's gonna have to be.

The Daily Mail... the Westboro Baptist Church

of interest, in the event that a representative of either of these had been gunned down, would you show support for their right to free speech by hashtagging with, say, 'I am Richard Littlejohn' or 'I am Pastor Fred Phelps'? Would reluctance to do so be evidence of a person's being opposed to free speech?