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Deadly gun attack in Paris: Global reactions & discussion

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Gathering in solidarity with Charlie Hebdo and in support of freedom of expression, in Beirut,Lebanon yesterday. 'The demonstration was made more poignant for its location: a reflective pool built to commemorate a significant Arab writer, Samir Kassir, who was assassinated 10 years ago during a spate of killings that targeted politicians and writers living in Lebanon who were critical of neighboring Syria. 'The candles weren't only lit for the French cartoonists, but for all those suffering for speaking out loud.

#JeSuisCharlie #JeSuisAhmed #JeSuisMuslim #JeSuisSamirKassir
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Original post by josb
everybody wants his own thread. :rolleyes:


do not attempt to censor free speech 1!!1!!!11
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Next cover:


"everything is forgiven"
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Original post by ShotsFired-9941
KSA, Qatar, Bahrain, UAE and Kuwait? Are not different to Isis...? ok.


Qatar largely created ISIS via extensive funding.

Bahrein has a horrible human rights record.

UAE and Kuwait are admittedly somewhat better, but they are hardly models of democracy either.
If you knew that MI5 was listening to your phone calls, then you may be put off from expressing your personal beliefs and ideas to others over the phone, would you not? Therefore MI5's power to listen in to digital phone calls may decrease peoples freedom and ability to express their ideas. The MI5 have now said that they want the ability to see all of peoples digital data, so now that includes emails and texts as well, further decreasing peoples freedom to express their ideas.

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Original post by R.K.X.T.
If you knew that MI5 was listening to your phone calls, then you may be put off from expressing your personal beliefs and ideas to others over the phone, would you not?


No, my conversions are banal and would be of no interest to spooks.

We really shouldn't be interested in preserving the privacy of people whose conversations would be of interest to our spies.

There are two real issues here. The first is that in the great balancing exercise of listening into telephone conversations as against catching terrorists wishing to kill us, there really isn't a fair fight. The answer is obvious.

However, the second is mission creep and this is where politicians have gone wrong so many times in the past and show no sign of getting it right in the future. Catching murderers, child abusers and people who put their rubbish out on the wrong day is important. However, none of these poses an existential threat to our way of life. Extraordinary powers should be entrusted to extraordinary agencies to combat extraordinary threats. It is when they become a routine part of law enforcement that the general public reacts and says these powers should not exist.

The government should make a solemn pledge that this material is for spooks' use only. It should not be available to PC Plod or the man from the Council no matter how useful it would be to his investigation. It isn't the case that we must catch criminals at all costs. That is why we have rules of evidence. That is why we have limits on interrogation techniques.


Just some of the disgusting reactions that people have with having an image on the cover of some guy who died over a thousand years ago.

You can clearly see that they expect more retaliation and that they are "asking for it"!??
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Original post by TheBBQ


Just some of the disgusting reactions that people have with having an image on the cover of some guy who died over a thousand years ago.

You can clearly see that they expect more retaliation and that they are "asking for it"!??

If they want to follow that rule of not representing Muhammad, they should not represent any living being. So the guy has an un-Islamic Facebook avatar...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aniconism_in_Islam

Moreover, Muhammad has been depicted by Shiites, and in the Middle Ages by Sunnis.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depictions_of_Muhammad


Saying that we should not draw Muhammad is just bigotry, precisely what Charlie Hebdo has been fighting.
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What's coconut? Brown on the outside?


But white on the inside.
Original post by G8D
Is that racist? I can't work it out.


I think it shows resentment of non-whites who have integrated into western society rather than acting as a fifth column in the Islamist interest like the Charlie Hebdo killers.

The likes of ISIS and IQAP have long term aims of domination. The west is in a fight which will get hot once the Moslem homelands have succumbed.
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People buying the magazine in Paris:

The terrorists have scored an own goal on this. Nobody cared about Charlie Hebdo before, or had thought much about the issue. Now the whole world is aware of the threat and is determined to resist, and to do things they would never have done before to demonstrate the fact. Cartoons of Mohammed are all over the place.
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Original post by Good bloke
The terrorists have scored an own goal on this. Nobody cared about Charlie Hebdo before, or had thought much about the issue. Now the whole world is aware of the threat and is determined to resist, and to do things they would never have done before to demonstrate the fact. Cartoons of Mohammed are all over the place.


These extremists aren't exactly known for their knowledge of the West, Bin Laden was convinced the USA was about to break apart. Frankly this was an incredibly predictable reaction to any one who knows anything about how the Western world functions.

Funnily enough their attempts to destroy the magazine have given it a new lease on life, supposedly they were facing financial difficulties before the attack.
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One million copies sold at 10AM, 2 other million available tomorrow and 2 other million will be printed next week.
Original post by Aj12
These extremists aren't exactly known for their knowledge of the West, Bin Laden was convinced the USA was about to break apart. Frankly this was an incredibly predictable reaction to any one who knows anything about how the Western world functions.

Funnily enough their attempts to destroy the magazine have given it a new lease on life, supposedly they were facing financial difficulties before the attack.


They certainly do, and say things that seem particularly unintelligent to us and which would appear to be counter-productive (and the whole concept of using terror to cow the people you wish to rule is one of them). They would be better off lulling the west into thinking well of them until they have established a stable state.
Original post by Good bloke
The likes of ISIS and IQAP have long term aims of domination. The west is in a fight which will get hot once the Moslem homelands have succumbed.


Yes, hence the change of name from "Islamic State of Iraq and Syria" to "Islamic State".

Much more should be done to defeat these people before they manage to get their hands on apocalyptic weaponry. 21st century weapons do not belong in 7th century hands.
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Yes, hence the change of name from "Islamic State of Iraq and Syria" to "Islamic State".

Much more should be done to defeat these people before they manage to get their hands on apocalyptic weaponry. 21st century weapons do not belong in 7th century hands.


True. Unfortunately the incompetence of the Iraqi army and the disunity in Iraq and Syria have presented them with an opportunity to establish some territorial gains. Thank goodness the Kurds didn't succumb. The Iraqis now have a tough task in pushing them back and need to establish and maintain political unity to put themselves in a position to do so.
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Three points on that: (1) Nobody needed Assad to be informed that Islamic terrorists would hit the west, (b) the west has rather famously and controversially stood apart from Syria's internal affairs until ISIS started to spill over into Iraq, (3) this doesn't make Assad's a good regime - less bad than an ISIS one, certainly, but not good.

I'm not convinced Islamic countries are capable of installing what we in the west would think of as a "good" regime. The only people capable of imposing sensible rule of law are the generals and dictators; without them the religious nutjobs take over. Democracy simply isn't wanted.
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Original post by Good bloke
Three points on that: (1) Nobody needed Assad to be informed that Islamic terrorists would hit the west, (b) the west has rather famously and controversially stood apart from Syria's internal affairs until ISIS started to spill over into Iraq, (3) this doesn't make Assad's a good regime - less bad than an ISIS one, certainly, but not good.

I'm not convinced Islamic countries are capable of installing what we in the west would think of as a "good" regime. The only people capable of imposing sensible rule of law are the generals and dictators; without them the religious nutjobs take over. Democracy simply isn't wanted.

And Assad is a terrorist too.

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