The 'white person does x so all whites should apologise' fallacy

For the same reason that all Germans who supported Hitler must for things that individually they didn't do. For the same reason that all the Americans who opposed abolition of slavery are responsible for it, whether they owned a slave or not.

Yes, exactly! When it happens to non-white people, we should "get over it" or "stop playing the race card".. until it happens to them, they cry about it.

Why should individual Muslims take "collective responsibility" for stuff they didn't do?

I don't expect English people to take "collective responsibility" for the suffering of some of my ancestors, under British rule..

Besides, the thread title does say

"The 'white person does x so all whites should apologise' fallacy" so we ARE talking about apologising

Because they support an ideology that condones such acts

My ancestors suffered under British rule. None of my Grandparents were born here. And no, a British person who does not ideologically support the conquest or control of other nations is in no way responsible. If they do support it however, they cant simply say "oh well I don't actually do it myself"

Sick of hearing this from religious apologists. White is not an ideology. White supremacist is, but that isn't subscribed to by the majority of whites.

Did anyone blame black people for Woolwich?
Does anyone blame atheist arabs for attacks by arab terrorists?

Didn't Rupert Murdoch say that all muslims should apologise for the Paris attacks?

I'm honestly not bothered about the generalisation itself as yes it does happen (wrongly) to other ethnic/racial groups. What concerns me is that it is being used to shut off debate regarding Islam

I think you've missed the point.

The idea is to display how ridiculous it is to judge over a billion people solely on the actions of a few, ideology or not.

Three are many muslims liberals who keep their religion to themselves and so to say that these people are responsible for this heinous crime IS as ludicrous as the proposition that all white people are responsible for the actions of so and so.

Because Muslims should apologise/be held responsible for the actions of others is wrong and an incredible stretch. Just because those extremists interpret the texts in their way and decide to act upon it is only their fault and no one else. We all have free will and what someone else does is not up to me. So you can't choose your race but you can choose your religion & being blamed for what someone else did is the same as being blamed for what every white person did. You can't help that this person decided to do that just because you share something in common. We are all grouped into different things: sex, race, religion etc.

You cannot hold someone responsible for someone else's actions just because you follow the same religion or have something in common.. Race & religion are not the same but the comparisons highlight how ridiculous it is for someone to take responsibility for what another did.

Except they share an ideology, a manifesto (the quran) and often on pressing them they aren't as liberal as they claim.

No one would ever say 'not all BNP members are racist, just the ones that happen to get caught saying racist things that happen to coincide with the party manifesto'

Because they support an ideology that condones such acts

My ancestors suffered under British rule. None of my Grandparents were born here. And no, a British person who does not ideologically support the conquest or control of other nations is in no way responsible. If they do support it however, they cant simply say "oh well I don't actually do it myself"

Islam is touted as 'the religion of peace', yet day in, day out, all over the world the evidence seems to point to the contrary. People do heinous things in the name of all manner of causes and religions, but Jews/Christians rarely commit acts of terror contemporarily, as we would traditionally define them, on anything approaching the same scale/intensity

I don't expect Muslims to apologise, but I do expect them to accept certain worldly realities, without getting defensive/aggressive, and to feel a sense of deep regret for the crap that is committed in their name/the name of their religion. Also, if a member of my community committed an atrocity then I would think it only natural to feel a sense of shame, and a failure on the part of the community to prevent their radicalisation

Please re-read what I said a little more carefully

Ditto

Please, be serious. Our media were historically geared up to support multiculturalism and have only started to air related realtalk in the past few years

Because Muslims should apologise/be held responsible for the actions of others is wrong and an incredible stretch. Just because those extremists interpret the texts in their way and decide to act upon it is only their fault and no one else. We all have free will and what someone else does is not up to me. So you can't choose your race but you can choose your religion & being blamed for what someone else did is the same as being blamed for what every white person did. You can't help that this person decided to do that just because you share something in common. We are all grouped into different things: sex, race, religion etc.

You cannot hold someone responsible for someone else's actions just because you follow the same religion or have something in common.. Race & religion are not the same but the comparisons highlight how ridiculous it is for someone to take responsibility for what another did.

If your shared ideology condones what is done AND you refuse to reject outdated parts of it on the basis that it is and always will be perfect, then it isn't a stretch to say you bear some responsibility for what is done.

Come back when the BNP, God preserve us, have diffused their ideology and culture across a sphere of influence from the Pyrenees to Malaya and you've given it over a thousand years to evolve.

Then you will see the same diversity as today exists in the interpretation and practice of Islam and Islamic cultural heritage, from zealotry to secularism and everything in between.

If you must compare Islam with some other "ideology", the only viable comparison is Christianity and Christendom. Which is also insanely diverse in its beliefs. Are all Europeans/Americans then complicit in Westboro Baptist Church, paedophile priests and Anders Breivik?

it's a weird cultural meme that is part of our society now.

It's unacceptable for a white male to say something like "white women shouldn't go out with men from other groups", especially in public and in certain areas, ie cosmopolitan areas and ethnic enclaves. It's more or less socially acceptable that asians not only keep marriage within the race, but they specially import people to keep it within the tribe and family.

Basically the "all people from different races become equal" thing, didn't happen except in the law books. In terms of norms, it's very mixed and weird. It doesn't universally benefit minorities though, but the way it is in the UK is bizarre compared to most none white places.

do people blame 'black people' and 'blacks' for crimes when one single black person does something ?

Yes.

So join the club.

Sick of hearing this from religious apologists. White is not an ideology. White supremacist is, but that isn't subscribed to by the majority of whites.

Did anyone blame black people for Woolwich?
Does anyone blame atheist arabs for attacks by arab terrorists?

do people blame 'black people' and 'blacks' for crimes when one single black person does something ?

Yes.

So join the club.