Should I leave Labour for Greens?

I'm facing a difficult decision. I'm 17 and have been a member of the Labour Party for over 2 years however I've increasingly been attracted to the policies of the Greens including the UBI and rail nationalization. If I want to be a Green member I must leave Labour. This is hard for me. All my family are Labour voters and are strongly commited to the party. However most of them, like me, are firecly Anti-Blair. I thought Milliband would be different. I thought he would stand up for the poor and battle auestrity but he has done very little whilst the Greens are seeking real change. As a committed socialist, a real one not a "third way" one, many of my ideas are in line with Green policy. However I just am finding it so hard to leave Labour. As a member of Labour I am able to volunteer for them etc. and get involved but as a Green I could not to this. I preach that democracy must be changed yet I'm afraid to put my whole support behind a minor (in conpar. to Labour/Tories). Should I leave Labour for Greens?!

Have you suddenly realised that labour are actually red Tories?

In any case, read the road to serfdom, socialism is an authoritarian ideology.

Please do, that way you can contribute to the fragmentation of the left and hopefully we will finally get a much needed Conservative majority government - thanks for that!

Except when it's anarchist or libertarian. Or just regulated capitalism. Green are very much pro democracy and decentralization they are left libertarians of some sort. They are not the Bolsheviks.

Stuff like Universal Basic Income is supported by libertarians on the left and right anyway.
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Question to the libertarian/ anarchist socialist:

How can you stop people from owning private property/ adopting a currency without resorting to force?

Whilst there's nothing wrong per se with universal income, the means of acquiring it for the greens are, well if it sounds to good to be true....

if people are taxed too highly, they will leave en masse- France has illustrated this perfectly. As said previously, their only fall back is to invest in renewable energy, which whilst good and necessary is not going to cover the costs, doubly so now that oil is so cheap.

People may be angered by companies like Amazon and Starbucks avoiding taxes. They will still happily shop there though. Just like nobody supports child labour, but buy stuff from Apple and Primark.

I think the Greens economic plan is a disaster, which is a shame as I think their Health/ education/ Crime policies are great.

In the meantime, I'll be sticking with the Lib Dems that support the environment whilst also having a better grasp of economics.

Private property cannot be maintained without force either.

I've also seen very little evidence of this supposed catastrophic flight of the wealthy from France. Infact, since the new taxes tax revenue has actually increased.

I agree, but i'm not a communist anarchist!


Really?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2012/12/18/can-the-last-taxpayer-leaving-france-please-turn-out-the-lights/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-27602312

I'm facing a difficult decision. I'm 17 and have been a member of the Labour Party for over 2 years however I've increasingly been attracted to the policies of the Greens including the UBI and rail nationalization. If I want to be a Green member I must leave Labour. This is hard for me. All my family are Labour voters and are strongly commited to the party. However most of them, like me, are firecly Anti-Blair. I thought Milliband would be different. I thought he would stand up for the poor and battle auestrity but he has done very little whilst the Greens are seeking real change. As a committed socialist, a real one not a "third way" one, many of my ideas are in line with Green policy. However I just am finding it so hard to leave Labour. As a member of Labour I am able to volunteer for them etc. and get involved but as a Green I could not to this. I preach that democracy must be changed yet I'm afraid to put my whole support behind a minor (in conpar. to Labour/Tories). Should I leave Labour for Greens?!

Please do, that way you can contribute to the fragmentation of the left and hopefully we will finally get a much needed Conservative majority government - thanks for that!

I'm facing a difficult decision. I'm 17 and have been a member of the Labour Party for over 2 years however I've increasingly been attracted to the policies of the Greens including the UBI and rail nationalization. If I want to be a Green member I must leave Labour. This is hard for me. All my family are Labour voters and are strongly commited to the party. However most of them, like me, are firecly Anti-Blair. I thought Milliband would be different. I thought he would stand up for the poor and battle auestrity but he has done very little whilst the Greens are seeking real change. As a committed socialist, a real one not a "third way" one, many of my ideas are in line with Green policy. However I just am finding it so hard to leave Labour. As a member of Labour I am able to volunteer for them etc. and get involved but as a Green I could not to this. I preach that democracy must be changed yet I'm afraid to put my whole support behind a minor (in conpar. to Labour/Tories). Should I leave Labour for Greens?!

It's tough. But the wrong Milliband won. David Milliband would have done so much more for the Labour party...not to mention he's more charismatic. I would be a Labour voter, but it's more of the same. I voted for the Greens in the European elections, and I like their policies.

The Greens should be a natural ally to the Labour party. Labour has losts its roots. I may end up voting Labour because I'd think they'd have a greater chance of winning (I "live" in a tory-dominated area), but that's not because I exactly like the policies of labour. They are half baked..that said, I wouldn't be opposed to a Watermelon coalition should things come down to it. And for that to happen, the Greens would need to beat UKIP.

And for the record, while the BBC and Fleet Street were having a wet dream about the rise of UKIP, they completely ignored the rising Greens. In the European elections, the Greens already beat out UKIP...and I'm pleased my vote actually counted in that election!!

Ha! Labour are not a leftist party. Milliband was the last light of hope and his record has been appalling. All Labours argument is that they are slightly better than the Tories.

I am representing the Green Party in my school's mock elections, and I am struggling to provide genuine comebacks to these arguments, I'd appreciate if anyone who is more knowledgeable on the matter than me with perhaps provide a response? Thankyou.

1)With increased taxation on the wealthy, does it not run the risk of deterring the wealthy from working as hard as possible and earning the most amount, as they will not be able to keep most of their profits? Thus resulting to less revenue from this tax. The Conservatives claim to have found that reducing the taxation of the wealthiest results in a higher revenue collected. How could this be disputed?

2) Their immigration policy appears to be to allow entirely open borders except in cases where the immigrant may possess a severe danger to the public. How is the UK able to cope with this when there is already massive strain on the NHS and school places? Is it intended to be entirely funded by taxation?

Thanks.

So you're a Green supporter but would've preferred a Blairite becoming leader? What?

Confirmation bias much? Are you representing the Greens by choice or were you assigned this task?

It's by choice, I'm just anticipating some accusations of my rivals and these are the only 2 things that I'm unsure of.

It's by choice, I'm just anticipating some accusations of my rivals and these are the only 2 things that I'm unsure of.