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I've noticed how The Sun haven't actually made a statement themselves on the matter. Perhaps they're just testing the water by changing Page 3 to gauge the reaction. If sales fall too low, they'll simply revert to business as normal on Page 3 and deny any claim that they had scrapped it.
Original post by yo radical one
I don't read The Sun and I have in fact never bought a copy, I find it crass and and vulgar.


However, the campaign against page 3 represents my hatred of much of the modern left, it celebrates failure, it celebrates mediocrity. This isn't about protecting women, it's about unattractive girls and their seething jealousy of beautiful ones. A similar thing is when guys who never get girls, complain that women are sluts, they are not angry that women are sluts, they are angry that women don't want to be sluts for them.


If you want equality, put a man with a muscular body on a different page - something for the women to enjoy


I have never seen more sense in a post.

In b4 feminazi's jump on board


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They weren't forced to remove them, they bowed down to social pressure. I would have disagreed with outright banning page 3 but the fact that they have stopped it by choice is completely acceptable (and a good thing, in my personal opinion).
Original post by Blazar
I don't buy magazines, actually, and it's because I don't like the gender-stereotyped content. Thanks for assuming that I personally am stupid when you know nothing about me.

Oh dear...
Original post by Blazar
I'm not a misandrist. I believe in gender equality, which is why I dislike the fact that women are constantly pressured to look good for other people. It so happens that men are generally the ones in charge in the press industry. It's also possible for women to have internalised misogyny, which I believe is largely the case for these magazines whose editors are female. I don't read them, but the front pages always seem to be about impressing men, and if women are being told by other women that their self-worth is directly proportional to how they are viewed by a man, then we have a problem.

This isn't meant condescendingly, but a lot of people don't realise that there actually is such a thing as looking good for yourself. My self-worth isn't tied to how other people react to my appearance. I rarely wear make-up, but if I feel like wearing it, then I will. I'm not trying to impress anyone by presenting myself in a way that I personally like.


So what about those who partake in these photo shoots willingly? Who are you to take away job opportunities from them.
Original post by Blazar
Well, as a woman I'm quite happy about this. Hopefully men will stop objectifying us so much in future.


And when will men stop being objectified?
No more scantily clad women alongside insightful quotes about society or the economy. Damn.
Thank goodness, now feminism has dealt with that important issue it now has the freedom to focus on the more trivial things like women being executed for being raped.
Reply 88
I wonder how many anti-Page 3 girls have rugby calenders with borderline naked guys, hung up at homes or in offices.

NEWS FLASH

Some women like to get their kit off. Shall we start banning other things you don't like? If you think anyone bought The Sun for page 3, you're a tool. When you have the interwebs, the least of your concerns should be one page in a newspaper.

All those aspiring glamour models who will no doubt go on to star in such greats as TOWIE. You have ruined them...

This isn't equality
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Original post by Blazar
Jeez, that's not what I said. I said that magazines are targeted towards different genders that way because men put pressure on women to "look good for them", and generally throw a childish tantrum if a woman says she wears make-up and nice clothes for herself and not for a man's approval.


Mmm, because there are no magazines in existence that portray men as Adonis or Hercules.

That door swings both ways, so don't open it if you can't handle that fact. And no, "women have it worse" is not a valid argument unless you arbitrarily perceive Feminism as a pissing contest.
Original post by datpiff
The 'men are objectified too argument' is incredibly weak. Men just aren't objectified as much as women. Men in media are portrayed as the ideal. They aren't there to be fantasised about, but to be fantasised as. Huge difference. Watch any action movie or advertisement involving topless men. They are there most times for men to wish they were the muscular and powerful man that Is being portrayed.


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Utter nonsense. So films like magic mike don't sexualise men? They're simply the ideal for men who want to be dancers? Infact, according to your logic, women probably aren't even turned on by half naked, muscular men :rolleyes:

And even if what you were saying were true (which it isn't). Don't people also complain about unrealistic standards being placed upon women after thin beautiful models being placed in advertisement? So why is it acceptable the other way round?
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Original post by Drunk Punx
Mmm, because there are no magazines in existence that portray men as Adonis or Hercules.

That door swings both ways, so don't open it if you can't handle that fact. And no, "women have it worse" is not a valid argument unless you arbitrarily perceive Feminism as a pissing contest.

Those men are portrayed as idols, not as objects. It's not a fair comparison.
Reply 92
Original post by Blazar
Those men are portrayed as idols, not as objects. It's not a fair comparison.

I see those men as objects, and those women as idols.
Original post by Josb
I see those men as objects, and those women as idols.


Well played sir


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Whilst I'm annoyed it's gone I don't really care. I never buy newspapers and off online has everything I want. The girls will still be on the online version of the sun btw.

At least people can read page 2 without feeling awkward lol
Original post by Josb
One last time:

Spoiler


:frown:

Thanks.
Original post by Jebedee
The Sun never to my knowledge had a basement of hot girls shackled to the walls. They go on page 3 because they want to and now because of some loudmouth feminazi ramblers they no longer can.


...you really think that a bunch of women lined up and begged to be put naked into newspapers? Or (what actually happened) that it was a concept introduced by seedy old men (remember, even, that until 2003 16-year-olds were allowed to be on there)?

No one is stopping anyone from selling topless photos of themselves. There are countless places on the internet and in print that cater to that. A publication which sells itself as a 'family newspaper' is not the place to do that.

Look, I'm attracted to women, and yeah, those pictures are hot. But I'm also fully aware that where they are - in the most widely-read newspaper in the UK (the collective intellect of our nation is, it seems, at a decline) - is entirely inappropriate.

Equally, if naked 18-year-old boys went on BBC Breakfast and were presented as 'Harry from Newcastle thinks that Putin's invasion of Crimea is totally bonkers!', that would not be appropriate at all. Even if I do appreciate looking at male underwear models.
Original post by Blazar
Those men are portrayed as idols, not as objects. It's not a fair comparison.


It's a perfectly fair comparison. Your perception of it, much like the perception of the user who posted underneath you, is down to personal interpretation, not the inherent nature of the images.

You're clearly a feminist, and I have both respect for you and caution around you for that (the former because I respect anyone who challenges the status quo and seeks the restoration of an equal society [and that extends past sexism], the latter purely because I don't know just how far you like to push the envelope).
I see this as a victory for Feminism, but not one for equality (an apparent contradiction, but not a thought that has passed many peoples' lips). Do you agree or disagree? I have a few points to make regarding that statement:

1) It's something that many people have pointed out, so I won't spend much time on it especially considering I have already mentioned it, and that is topless men posing for media. One cannot be a force for evil and the other a force for good, not if you truly believe in egalitarianism. Likewise, if your belief in Feminism is rooted in the basis for equality then it's hypocritical to campaign for the removal of one while remaining silent about the other.

2) The removal of the idea of breasts being seen as solely as sexual objects is something that has been noted regularly as of late.
A) The removal of images of breasts from the public eye doesn't change that view, it merely censors it.
B) If you adhere to the notion that breasts shouldn't be sexualised then why bother campaigning to the have them removed in the first place?

3) It also be argued that this isn't even a victory for Feminism so much as it is a victory for common sense; the notion that breasts, a part of the body that is seen by society as sexual (rightly or wrongly. Personally I believe in the latter as just because a part of the body can be used for sexual purposes that doesn't mean that it's inherently sexual) and therefore to a certain degree pornographic, are available for viewing on a low shelf where they're easily accessible to children doesn't sit well with me.
This seems to be an argument that feminists have hijacked and are using to promote their own agenda, so zero points for creativity on that one. Like most other agendas by all manner of social politicians and commentators that have come before it, using children for an argument as a means to your own ends doesn't seem to be beneath anybody these days.

At this point I want you to know that I'm not trying to prove you wrong or belittle you about anything you may say. I've got the day off work, am bored, and fancied a debate.
Original post by Blazar
Those men are portrayed as idols, not as objects. It's not a fair comparison.


Pretty sure one of the magazines, heat maybe? Has a 'torso of the week' :facepalm:
I just read about this. Doesn't bother me at all. If people want to see topless models, there are loads of lads mags for that. I don't see why they should have a place in a national newspaper.
Original post by Zander01
Pretty sure one of the magazines, heat maybe? Has a 'torso of the week' :facepalm:


Heat is trashy crap though. Don't get me wrong, so is the Sun, but the Sun is at least supposed to be a newspaper.

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