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in modern times religion, as far as I know hasn't tried to hinder academic progress.

I'm not talking about what Christians are commanded to do. I'm talking about what Christians' god intends - heaven for those who deserve it, hell for the rest. If that isn't the very definition of loving only those who deserve it I don't know what is.

Obviously, after the explanation, it is rather less mysterious. There are scientific explanations for the origins of life and the origins of man (though the former have not yet been proven strongly enough). I'd rather give credence to them than to religious explanations that aren't in accordance with what we know.

Galileo, rather famously, was held to be a heretic when he theorised that the heavens did not revolve around Earth. Religion was proved to be wrong; rationality, and science, had the explanation of a mystery.

in modern times religion, as far as I know hasn't tried to hinder academic progress.

Atheistic theories on the origins of life and mankind hold no more weight than religious ones, and are pure speculation.

The Young Earth Creationists are a damnable nuisance and deny anything and everything in science. They spread lies and confusion online and cause no end of trouble.

I'm out. You can't debate with an idiot without educating them and I can't be arsed.

The people who end up in Hell ultimately choose to go there.

A mystery by definition is something that is practically impossible to explain.

Atheistic theories on the origins of life and mankind hold no more weight than religious ones, and are pure speculation.

Can you point me to the part in the Bible that says the sun revolves around the Earth?

The sun rises, and the sun goes down, and hastens to the place where it rises.

It [the sun] rises at one end of the heavens and makes its circuit to the other; nothing is hidden from its heat.

Of course they do. Just as the blackmail victim who can't pay has chosen to be exposed.

Certainly. There are several places. Two of them are as follows:

Ecclesiastes 1:5



Psalms 19:6

Of course they do. Just as the blackmail victim who can't pay has chosen to be exposed.

Scientific hypotheses on the origin of life are very far from being speculative in most cases. Scientific theories on the origin of man are accepted as being as near fact as it is possible to get in science.

Certainly. There are several places. Two of them are as follows:

Ecclesiastes 1:5



Psalms 19:6

Of course not. Do you?



I didn't quite say that. They obviously believed in religion as they used it to motivate and control their followers. They almost certainly believed in the benefits of the rules they promulgated. What they didn't believe was the mythology and justification - the mythology - they created around the rules in order to make it all believable.



I agree. And it applies to you too.

Is it really necessary to bring up the fact Catholic priests are virgins, wear what you seem to be "stupid outfits" and the stereotype that they're old? I would also say that those aren't atheistic subjects, just normal subjects where religion isn't the focus.

And religion doesn't try to stop people learning and Pope Francis even advocates scientific research. Of course you'll bring up the Galileo story but in modern times religion, as far as I know hasn't tried to hinder academic progress.
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Many of them didn't. It was one rule for those at the top and another for the laymen. Consider all the mistresses of Medieval Priests.

Religion deliberately tries to stop people learning and only without it can we truly learn about the universe.

So Medieval Priests got laid = they didn't believe in God. Nah. Maybe there were a few atheists just going into the Church to get power (It was one of the only ways non nobility could get into positions of power) but the majority of people, in all classes, were religious.

What the other poster is trying to say is that all religious inventors and leaders didn't believe in their God and they made it all up to control their societies. Which is ludicrous.

I didn't say Priests getting laid means they don't believe in God. It means they are hypocritical and not as bothered by the threat of eternal damnation as you'd think, which is reason to believe that their belief wasn't iron tight.

I disagree with the other poster but there are many examples of religion being used to control society in the past and in modern times, even if they founders of the religions were genuine believers.

Well I was being rather polemic there but I do think it is relevant to point out they are virgins because it's weird and makes them sexually frustrated. They also believe they can teach people about their sexuality and what sexual acts are wrong, without any experience.


That's only because religion has become far less relevant and powerful in the Western world so has had to accomodate science to survive. The religious are still less likely to know much about science or believe in evolution.

I would disagree that religion is less relevant although I do agree that the church doesn't have the power it use to. I do disagree that it has to accommodate science to survive as there are plenty of Christian's who do not. And while not all of them may believe in evolution, we do attend the same schools as everyone else and so know the same amount of science as everyone else.

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Which of these says the sun revolves around the Earth? Is it not still widely said that the sun rises in the east and sets in the west?

and hastens to the place where it rises

It is clearly less relevant. It's only very important to a very small number of people, a lot less than it used to be.

Merely attending the same schools as everyone else (not even true with faith schools) does not mean you know the same amount of science at all. That doesn't logically follow. Plus if they don't believe in the fact of evolution then they do know less and that is a clear example of religion holding back scientific knowledge and teaching.